In Waves & War: Marcus & Amber Capone On Psychedelic Treatment For Veteran PTSD, Rebuilding Life After War & The Mission To Heal A Generation

**Rich Roll** (0:01)
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**Marcus Capone** (1:33)
So you want me to take a psychedelic and I'm supposed to get better.

**Amber Capone** (1:37)
Marcus and Amber Capone.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:39)
A military family, they formed vets. In their quest for healing, Marcus' fellow Navy SEAL friend introduced them to Ibogaine.

**Rich Roll** (1:45)
What is Ibogaine and what was the experience that you had?

**Marcus Capone** (1:50)
Think of it as a single molecule that gets extracted. It is extremely potent and what's actually helping the individual work through psychological issues. I was drinking extremely heavily, really struggling.

**Amber Capone** (2:01)
He legitimately thought he would be doing us a favor by removing himself from the equation.

**Marcus Capone** (2:07)
I had been on pharmaceuticals for years, not getting better.

**Amber Capone** (2:11)
I thought, I wonder if this Ibogaine thing could work.

**Marcus Capone** (2:14)
I went from thinking this was crazy to, wait, this is medical treatment.

**Amber Capone** (2:17)
When he came around the corner, it truly was like being reunited with someone that I hadn't seen in over 15 years.

**Marcus Capone** (2:24)
This is exactly what the guys need. Civilians absolutely can relate to what we're doing, and mental health, brain health doesn't discriminate.

**Rich Roll** (2:34)
Marcus, Amber, thank you so much for taking the time to be with me today. I'm very excited to talk to you both. People had been recommending the documentary In Waves and War to me for quite some time, and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get to it. No, no, no, you really need to see this. And I was on a plane about two weeks ago flying out of the country and I downloaded it to watch on the flight and watch this documentary was incredibly moved by it. All the more so because I was en route to doing my first Iboga ceremony and that was 19 days ago. So this is the first that I'm talking about it publicly. But it was a life-changing and incredibly profound experience that I don't think I'll ever forget.
And just an incredible gift, not just to myself, but to my wife who happens to be here today, Julie, and to my kids.
In the aftermath of that experience, I called Tyler, my stepson of my producer, who's here as well. And I said, we need to get Marcus and Amber on the podcast. And he said, we're already in an email exchange. Like, you know, we've already had some back and forth. And I think that illustrates like the, this sort of synergistic nature of the universe. So it's perfect that you guys are here today and now.

**Amber Capone** (4:04)
Definitely.

**Marcus Capone** (4:05)
Well, Rich, thank you. Thank you. And it almost seems like after the medicine, all these things just happened to fall in place. Just like you said, having those email conversations and prior to them even talking to you about, hey, there's this couple that wants to be on the show and you met them halfway. And I think we've seen it happen all the time. I mean, we can go far out there and call it the universe or whatever, but I think you just become more aware of all these things and line up.

**Amber Capone** (4:31)
Yeah, I don't think it's an accident we're here today. We're honored to be here today.

**Rich Roll** (4:35)