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How to Win at AEO (Answer Engine Optimization)

The Dave Gerhardt Show (from Exit Five)

June 4, 2026

#361 | In this episode, Matt Carnevale, Head of Community at Exit Five talks with three marketers doing impactful work in AEO. AI search is changing how buyers find products, and most B2B teams are still figuring out where to start.
Speakers: Dave Gerhardt, Matt Carnevale, Matt Dzugan, Brett Bernath, Jess Joyce
**Dave Gerhardt** (0:00)
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80% of the CMOs we've talked to this year say AEO is a top priority for them, and most of them don't actually know where to start because so much is changing in real time. So we brought in three people who are actually doing the work right now in B2B marketing. Matt, VP of Data at Muckrack, he just ran a full AEO-led product launch and has the results to prove it. Jess is an SEO and AEO consultant who's building the playbook for how B2B brands show up at AI Search, and Brett is director of PM at Webflow, one of the most forward-thinking teams on AI-ready web infrastructure. In this session, you'll get the full tactical breakdown, how Muckrack used their own AI visibility research to earn press coverage that actually moved the needle, why LLMs reward verifiable specific claims in exactly how to write content that wins citations, the AEO maturity model from zero to owning your category, how to think about tracking AI visibility, which tools to use and how to separate signal from noise, why comparison pages and listicles are a good place to start but won't be enough, and what Bing Webmaster Tools are doing right now that Google hasn't caught up to yet. This came from one of our world famous Exit Five live sessions. We do them twice a month. They're definitely not webinars. We bring in people doing the work and go deep on one topic in B2B marketing to help you get smarter and this session is all about AEO. Let's get into it.

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