How to Control Your Inner Voice & Increase Your Resilience | Dr. Ethan Kross

**Andrew Huberman** (0:00)
Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.
I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. And I'm wearing these Red Lens Wine Down Roka glasses because we are recording this late at night, which is unusual for us. And bright light, in particular short wavelength bright light, in the blue and green part of the spectrum, quashes melatonin and makes it hard to sleep. And I want to sleep tonight. These Red Lens glasses filter out the green and blue short wavelengths that would otherwise disrupt my sleep. My guest today is Dr. Ethan Kross. Dr. Ethan Kross is a professor of psychology at the University of Michigan and the director of the Emotion & Self-Control Laboratory. He is also the author of the bestselling book, Chatter, The Voice in Our Head and How to Harness It. Today's discussion is a really special one because we discuss something that each and all of us have, which is a voice in our head that is our voice. And that voice can range from encouraging to discouraging. It can be repetitive in ways that can be very intrusive. And it has a profound effect on our emotional state, our confidence, our levels of anxiety, and indeed what we are capable of achieving in life. Dr. Ethan Kross' laboratory has done groundbreaking research to understand what is the origin of this voice in our heads and can and should we control it? And indeed the answer is yes. Today's discussion gets into many things that people struggle with and many things that you can do to improve your life, such as how to regulate the chatter in your head, how to overcome ruminations and intrusive thoughts. And we also discuss what to do with your actual voice. For instance, data pointing to the fact that venting your negative emotions to others is actually bad. It tends to amplify bad emotions. We talk about that research. We also talk about other forms of outward speech and inward speech, that inner voice, that you can partake in, in order to improve your emotional state and shift your emotional state. So today's discussion really centers around common questions and common scenarios and common challenges that everybody grapples with. And of course, we all have a voice in our head. Today, you're going to learn to listen to it, to regulate it, and indeed to steer it in the direction of mental health, physical health, and performance. I'm also excited to tell you that Dr. Ethan Kross soon has another book coming out entitled Shift, Managing Your Emotions So They Don't Manage You. And I tremendously enjoyed Chatter, his first book, and I very much look forward to reading Shift when it comes out. We provide links to the work in Dr. Ethan Kross' laboratory, as well as links to his previous and forthcoming book in the show note captions. 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