Hacker Kim Dotcom Issues Dark Warning on Surveillance, Electronic Voting Machines, and Nuclear War

**Tucker Carlson** (0:04)
Kim Dotcom, thank you very much. Thank you very much for doing this. How much privacy do we have as citizens of New Zealand or the United States?

**Kim Dotcom** (0:16)
Not much, because the government is surveilling everybody. Yeah.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:23)
How are they doing that?

**Kim Dotcom** (0:27)
They have massive surveillance programs that are designed to catch every phone call, video call, everything you do.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:43)
What is the purpose of that? Why are they surveilling their own populations?

**Kim Dotcom** (0:49)
Because they can create a profile of their citizens and then use the data to basically put the people in categories and influence them as well. So, it's not just surveillance, it's also mind-at-thing in terms of elections or something.

**Tucker Carlson** (1:21)
Okay. So, you believe the government is tailoring its propaganda to the population based on profiles that they've assembled, like Facebook does, for advertising.

**Kim Dotcom** (1:32)
Yeah. So, if they want, for example, support for war, they can use this system to convince people.

**Tucker Carlson** (1:49)
Interesting. How do you get out of it? How do you find privacy in a panopticon like this?

**Kim Dotcom** (1:58)
Don't be connected to the internet. It's the only way, yeah.

**Tucker Carlson** (2:04)
Don't be, but if you're not connected to the internet, then you can't communicate with people except in your living room.

**Kim Dotcom** (2:12)
It's true, but it's a high price to pay if you're online. You have to know that everything you do is being watched and listened to, yeah.

**Tucker Carlson** (2:28)
Why is there no way out? Why is there no phone or laptop or tablet that allows me to communicate with you without being spied on?

**Kim Dotcom** (2:42)
Because the US government has a lot of fingers in the technology. So every website that you visit, every tool that you use, every hardware that you use is controlled by the US government bots.

**Tucker Carlson** (3:04)
Yeah.
So this is not a new phenomenon. You were indicted, I think, in 2011, 2012, a long time ago. Zek, what year was it?

**Kim Dotcom** (3:17)
In 2012, yeah.

**Tucker Carlson** (3:19)
2012 So 14 years ago, what you were doing, you're basically allowing people to upload large files privately on the internet. I think that's what you were doing. And that was so threatening that the US government tried to put you in prison.

**Kim Dotcom** (3:37)
No, what was really threatening was I gave money to Vicky Leakes and Julian Assange.
So the US government saw me as a person of interest because of that. And everything that followed is because of my support for the truth.

**Tucker Carlson** (4:03)
For Julian Assange?

**Kim Dotcom** (4:05)
Yeah. So when Julian came out with the video, Collateral Murderer, maybe you remember that, I was touched by it and gave a lot of money to Vicky Leakes.

**Tucker Carlson** (4:23)
And then what happened after you did that?

**Kim Dotcom** (4:26)
I was charged with copyright infringement. So what my users uploaded to my website, they said I'm responsible for that.

**Tucker Carlson** (4:40)
But wouldn't Facebook be responsible for every criminal who uses a meta-product? Wouldn't Google be responsible for any criminal who uses their search engine? I mean, this is a new, I've never heard of this principle before.

**Kim Dotcom** (4:54)
Yeah. The big difference is they did not give money to WikiLeaks or to the AdSense.

**Tucker Carlson** (5:04)
So what did they charge you with and what was the penalty?

**Kim Dotcom** (5:10)
They charged me with RecoX. So they not only say I'm a criminal because I allowed people to use my websites for infringement, they said I planned it with other people, stupid.

**Tucker Carlson** (5:35)
And what were the penalties for this?

**Kim Dotcom** (5:38)
Oh, they want to put me in jail for 186 years.

**Tucker Carlson** (5:45)
I'm sorry to laugh. 186 years for copyright infringement?

**Kim Dotcom** (5:50)
Oh, that's what you get if you support Julian Assange.

**Tucker Carlson** (5:56)
Well, I do support Julian Assange, so I hope that's not coming for me. So whatever happened to the charges?

**Kim Dotcom** (6:04)
Oh, they want to extradite me from New Zealand to the United States.

**Tucker Carlson** (6:12)
Are they still trying to do that?

**Kim Dotcom** (6:14)
Yeah. Even after my stroke, they're still trying to do that.

**Tucker Carlson** (6:23)
Are you worried that they'll be able to?

**Kim Dotcom** (6:26)
Oh, they will want to. I have no doubt.
But I don't know if they can, because I'm not the same person anymore after my stroke. So if they really want to go ahead, they are up for a big challenge.