Fighter vs. Writer: Matt Brown Reacts to Jake Paul, Ronda Rousey Mocking UFC White House Ratings, Justin Gaethje Fighting Again

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**Damon Martin** (1:52)
Welcome back to The Fighter vs. The Writer. I'm Damon Martin. He is UFC legend Matt Brown. And Matt, we are coming off a weekend where there was a UFC fight and a good win from an L cop over Kyuji Origuchi. But let's be honest, man, really, the buzz is still from the UFC White House card, man. It's like that one just does not die, which is a good thing, by the way. But yeah, that's like, that event was so huge. Like, that's still what everyone's talking about, like basically two weeks later.

**Matt Brown** (2:17)
I know, right? That's how big it was.
Think about that, man. Justin Gaethje has been involved, one on the losing side, one on the winning side of two of the most memorable fights in UFC history. You know, not necessarily the most important, right? Griffin Bonner is probably the most important, and he got like UFC One, all these things.
But between UFC 300 with Max Holloway and in the White House, I mean, Justin Gaethje has been in part of the, the most memorable fights in UFC history.

**Damon Martin** (2:47)
Yeah, it's kind of crazy. I mean, the guy has been a bonus machine, and he rightfully earned an extra $825,000 for the winner, really, of Topori, which is well earned and well deserved. Yeah, like, this guy is like, this guy is going to have one of the most memorable careers ever, even though, like, I don't think anyone's ever going to rate him as like the top lightweight ever, because, you know, he does have, you know, quite a few losses in there. And, but, you know, but when you think about the exciting fights he's put on, the bonuses he's earned, he is must see television every time he fights. Like, that is a reputation that he'll have forever. And I don't know that we'll ever get another Justin Gaethje, to be honest, because it's so hard to, like, fight with his style and actually have, like, a really long career. Because, like, generally speaking, like, when you fight that way, it's like, yeah, you might have a couple good years, but then, you know, then the chin catches up to you or the body catches up to you. But Gaethje is like a fricking, you know, fricking thoroughbred.

**Matt Brown** (3:36)
Yeah. And he's also a very intelligent guy and a good dude, you know what I mean? Like a good person to look up to, a role model for kids. And he's still got his wits about him. Like he's still smart. If you heard him on the Joe Rogan podcast, like he still speaks well, like he's still an intelligent guy. So mad props to him, man.
You gotta give credit where credit's due, man. He's done everything right. And, you know, we'll see if he keeps going, I guess, right? That's gonna be the big question now. Does Justin Gaethje continue and do more big things?

**Damon Martin** (4:10)
That what we might as well talk about is we're gonna talk about anyways on the Joe Rogan podcast. He said he is planning on fighting again. He did say that now, obviously nothing is definitive. Who knows? But he said he was planning on fighting again. He doubled down that Ilya Tupori doesn't deserve an immediate rematch and he quit twice is what he said. And I know you talked about it last week, like ultimately he doesn't make that decision. It's up to the DOC, but I'm with him in terms of the automatic, I hate immediate rematches unless it's just totally warranted. Like when Valentina Shipchenko got, you know, surprisingly beat by Alexa Grosso, and she was like a five or six time defending champion, I'm like, okay, you know, she was winning the fight, she got caught, you gotta get rid of that rematch. But I hate when they just do these immediate rematches for no reason. Like, why are we doing this again? Like unless you're a multi-time defending champion, or maybe a situation like, you know, where you're just in a division where there's just no contenders, like they could probably do Aspen All Gone like 20 times because there's nobody there for him to fight outside of eventually maybe a Josh Hoken or when Gable Stevenson gets up there. But like this one lightweight like we have a clear number one contender. It's Armand Sarukian like there's no reason for Ilya to get a rematch. And so like whatever as you said, Justin doesn't make that call. But I agree with him. Like it was a definitive ending. He quit on the stool. His team said no moss.