Even Trump's Biggest Supporters Can't Deny This...| DSH #2094

**Micah Erfan** (0:00)
I think he's been terrible. So like, I asked conservatives this, what has actually gotten better since Trump became president? Like, what has he gotten you? Tremendous corruption, and we want to end the corruption after being vice president for a Trump administration, which is the most corrupt, and which has bombed the most countries in one year out of any president in American history. He bombed more countries in one year, it's over eight now, than FDR did.

**Sean Kelly** (0:25)
Holy crap.
Okay, guys, we got Micah on the show right now, right before he debates Kai. So we're gonna start with that.

**Micah Erfan** (0:38)
Yeah.

**Sean Kelly** (0:39)
Is this your first big debate or?

**Micah Erfan** (0:40)
Ah, slight, yeah, yeah. The last guy I debated was kind of stupid. So Kai's a little bit, we're gonna give him some credit. He's smarter.

**Sean Kelly** (0:47)
Kai's on the A tier list.

**Micah Erfan** (0:49)
I don't know about that, but you know, he's not D tier. I think the last guy debated was like really, really bad.

**Sean Kelly** (0:56)
Brain rot?

**Micah Erfan** (0:57)
No, totally. You were there, actually.

**Sean Kelly** (0:58)
Oh, was I?

**Micah Erfan** (0:59)
Yeah, it was right outside of American Fest.

**Sean Kelly** (1:00)
Oh, at Am Fest, yeah. The guy was like- So you haven't debated since then?

**Micah Erfan** (1:03)
I have not, well, yeah, not really, no. Wow. No.

**Sean Kelly** (1:06)
You've been holding it all in, man.

**Micah Erfan** (1:07)
Dude, I've been like, I've been cooking.

**Sean Kelly** (1:09)
Wow.

**Micah Erfan** (1:11)
Life of a law student, though. Life of a law student.

**Sean Kelly** (1:13)
I'm sure your days are busy, crazy.

**Micah Erfan** (1:14)
You did, super busy.

**Sean Kelly** (1:15)
First year law.

**Micah Erfan** (1:16)
Yep.

**Sean Kelly** (1:17)
You're not gonna get replaced by AI, are you?

**Micah Erfan** (1:19)
Well, you know, lawyers write the laws. So we're gonna write laws that make sure we don't get replaced. Smart. That's the great thing about the legal profession.

**Sean Kelly** (1:27)
It is interesting, because I'm talking to a lot of lawyers and some of them hate it. Some of them love it. Some of them are scared of what they are. I don't know. We'll see how it plays out.

**Micah Erfan** (1:33)
I'm pretty, I'm pretty pro AI in this sense. I know it's kind of an unpopular take, but in my perspective, like if you look at every scientific innovation in history, there was always people who hated it immediately, right? When it was happening. And then now like we couldn't imagine our lives without it. Like, like automatic elevators, you know, all the elevator operators lost their jobs because of that, nobody would say that we need to bring back elevator operators.

**Sean Kelly** (1:55)
I've never met one of those.

**Micah Erfan** (1:56)
No, me either. That'd be super, what a boring job, you know?

**Sean Kelly** (2:00)
No, literally, geez. So let's get straight to it. Why are you liberal?

**Micah Erfan** (2:04)
So, okay.
First, I want to clarify what I mean by liberal. I think liberalism is this idea that all people have dignity by virtue of their humanity.
And so, you know, people, whenever people think about liberalism in the United States, they think about the Democratic Party because it's kind of an inflation going on there.
But that's not what liberalism means internationally. It's not what it means historically. If you look at the United States, we were a country founded on liberal values. We won the monarchy. We believe that people should have the right to vote, that people have rights by virtue of their humanity. And if you look at America over time, we basically become more liberal. We've respected the human dignity of more people. We used to not let women vote. Then we started letting them vote. We used to have slavery and then we got rid of slavery and we let African Americans vote. And I think that's been a really good thing historically. And I think if you look at the history of the world, before the 1700s, things really sucked. We died when we were 30 years old. We were all peasant farmers who were owned by some sort of monarch. The monarch could come and just execute you for any reason. We were fighting wars over really crazy shit. I mean, this is a crazy fact. The war that killed the highest percentage of the United Kingdom's population in its entire history was not World War I, it was not World War II, it wasn't the 1,000 years war, the 700 year war. It was a war between Protestant and Catholic British people.