E92: Getting Freaky on the Frontier: The Story of Mormon Renegade James Emmett

**Lindsay Hansen Park** (0:10)
Well, we did it again, Bryan, we did it again.
So our last episode, if you'll remember, we were talking about the rent that Mormons had to pay in winter quarters.
And in doing so, we talked about how they aided and abetted the removal of a certain tribe, indigenous tribe that was living on the land. I, you know, often on this podcast, I will say things and not know the pronunciation because, first of all, I'm a Utah bumpkin. And second of all, we read a lot of this stuff and some of it's just 19th century and some of it's not. So I'm always asking questions, not because I'm stupid, but because I think smart people ask questions and learn how to do things. And I don't mind modeling that in the historical world. However, there are times when I think we should know certain terms and last time we were talking about an indigenous tribe that the Mormons were participating in the removal of, and I called them the Potawatomi tribe and Bryan called them the what?

**Bryan Buchanan** (1:12)
I, my head told me Potawatomi, but it was not based on anything concrete.

**Lindsay Hansen Park** (1:18)
It's interesting because, so we asked if that was right and we got a lot of feedback, a lot of really kind feedback. Thank you for the kind feedback, by the way. We want to learn and model the right terms. And so that's why we're recording this little disclaimer at the beginning, because we're going to say it wrong in a few episodes. We usually record a few at a time, and we want to show you we care about these things because it matters.

**Bryan Buchanan** (1:42)
Yes. We, you know, we're not immune to this. We will freely admit this.
We try hard, but sometimes other people's toolers come up and bite us in the you-know-what occasionally.

**Lindsay Hansen Park** (1:55)
And that's just the thing. People will be like, why are you making a big deal about it? I remember on Year of Polygamy, I said Washakie wrong, and yeah, we can make mistakes. I appreciate that. But when it comes to Indigenous tribes that are part of American history, I feel like if we can get on this podcast, people to say Lamanite correctly, we can also do the work of saying the tribes correctly. So Bryan, give us the correct term.

**Bryan Buchanan** (2:20)
Potawatomi. And we should point out that that's sort of the anglicized version of that. There's a really fun YouTube clip that we can link to where a woman from that tribe goes through how her band of that and then the larger tribal names are pronounced.
And it's very interesting because you can see where our anglicized spelling and pronunciation come from, but it's really fun to hear her say them in their real proper way.

**Lindsay Hansen Park** (2:49)
And in our defense, we're making a concerted effort to acknowledge the tribes that engage with Mormon history because it's a part of American history that I think is essential, especially given Mormonism's relationship to the, quote, lame-eyed doctrine. And so we look it up, but I will say on this one, there are a lot of pronunciations online, like a lot. They're kind of wild. If you just Google, you know, Potawatomi tribes.
And yeah, so we, you know, I've been saying it wrong.
Other people have been saying it wrong. We had a bunch of listeners who lived in the area. Thank you for sending us your kind notes and fun notes about that.
And then, yeah, we got some YouTube clips from Indigenous folks. So that is how you say it.

**Bryan Buchanan** (3:33)
Potawatomi.

**Lindsay Hansen Park** (3:34)
Potawatomi. Potawatomi. Potawatomi. Say it three times fast. Get used to it on the tip of your tongue. We'll probably say things wrong again and correct us because as Mormons, we know when an outsider says Nephi wrong, right? I hate a Nephi, a Zion, a laminate. What else? Moroni?

**Bryan Buchanan** (3:57)
Nauvoo constantly gets butchered.
There's a lot of them. And yeah, and as Mormons, we're always like, you must be one of them outsiders because you just said that. And we would also like to point out that sometimes even the famous people among us all created this.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:13)
Of all the questions we had, the one that came up most often was ask Benedict to say the word penguin. What is this about?

**SPEAKER_4** (4:25)
Well, apparently I got it wrong repeatedly in a documentary. And the last thing you might expect to see here is penguins. These are fiordland crested penguins named after this corner of South New Zealand.