Dreamer: the Personal Agent OS — David Singleton

**swyx** (0:05)
Okay, we're here in the studio with David Singleton. Welcome.

**David Singleton** (0:07)
Hey, Swix, it's great to be here.

**swyx** (0:09)
It's great to have you. We have very simpatic goal that your company color is the same as Lean Spaces color.

**David Singleton** (0:15)
That's right, Dreamer Purple.

**swyx** (0:17)
It used to be DevAgents, which I thought was very cool, is that you call back to DevPayments, and you were obviously CTO of Stripe. Talk to me about just the origin or thinking process behind Dreamer, and maybe start with what is Dreamer?

**David Singleton** (0:31)
Yeah, so Dreamer is a new product, which everyone can come and play with today. It's a place where everyone, literally everyone, can discover, build, and enjoy and use AI agents and agentic apps. We really did design it for consumers, for folks who are not necessarily have any kind of technical background. It's really aimed at everyone. I think often of my sister, she's very smart. She's not in the slightest bit technical. She has lots of problems in her life that she would like to be able to have great software and intelligent software to solve. But even with the rise of tools like Cloud Code and so forth, she's got no way to get started. Dreamer is a place where she can come in, grab some intelligent apps that other people in the community have built, start using them right away and solve real problems in her life.
At the core, we have a personal agent called the Sidekick. You can give your Sidekick a name, you can give it its own personality. It really helps you across your entire day, your life, it helps you use all of the agents on the platform and it also helps you build anything you want. And we've been working on this for a little while. We recently launched in beta, so anyone can go to dreamer.com, join the waitlist, and we have many, many, many people in the community now who are building really fun, really powerful, really useful agents and agentic apps for themselves.

**swyx** (1:54)
I think we're going to go right into a demo. I just want to make an observation that you put discover first before build, but actually, at least for the engineers in the audience, because we are primarily engineers and you're primarily targeting consumers, right? Yeah. For engineers, there's a huge full stack of stuff which we're going to dive into.

**David Singleton** (2:12)
That's right.

**swyx** (2:12)
It's so impressive. I'm like, holy shit, this is what I've always wanted. So I think that's really good, and in some ways, I think given your background, given Hugo's, is it Hugo? Hugo Barra, yeah. It's not surprising that you basically build an app store for agents.

**David Singleton** (2:30)
Yeah. So Hugo is my co-founder. Hugo and I met with our other co-founder Nicholas Checkoff in the very early days of Android at Google, where we were building Google's first mobile apps. We then contributed to very core pieces of Android itself. You're right. We were really excited about building two things. One, solving a bunch of problems that this breakthrough technology, here I'm talking about mobile, needed to have solved in order to make it work for real people at scale. And then secondly, building this ecosystem of third-party developers using the Play Store and able to deliver way more value on the platform than we could have delivered on our own. And we think about Dreamer in exactly the same way. So I was working at Stripe, as you mentioned, and we had the opportunity to put some of the very first AI agent systems in the world into production. And from the moment we did the first of those, I was just struck with a strong sense of conviction that this is breakthrough technology that's going to change how all of us work with computers and phones and so forth, all of the technology in our lives. But there's a lot of problems to be solved for real people to be able to make this approachable. And it really is kind of a direct analog for what we were solving back in the early days of mobile apps at Google and on Android. So it's been fun to bring that to life.

**swyx** (3:47)
Yeah. Let's look at it.

**David Singleton** (3:48)
Yeah. Let's take a look. So dreamer.com. This is our homepage. This is where you can come and watch some videos about what is here and sign up for the waitlist.

**swyx** (3:57)
I just want to say for those listening, because we have a lot, you know, switch to YouTube, look at the animations. So much care.