Catherine Fitts: Epstein, CIA Black Budget, the Control Grid, and the Banks’ Role in War

**Tucker Carlson** (0:04)
Catherine Austin Fitts, thank you for doing this.

**Catherine Austin Fitts** (0:06)
Tucker, thank you for doing this.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:08)
The first time we did an interview over a year ago, different worlds completely, and I remember thinking, wow, I've rarely spoken to anyone who thinks in such big terms, I mean, that as a compliment. I wonder if this is all true. I think time has proven you right. We've had a couple of meals in the subsequent months, and so I just want to say, I think you're really wise and I'm grateful to have you.

**Catherine Austin Fitts** (0:32)
So I want you to know it was only 10 months ago, but it seems like a long, long time.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:37)
Man.

**Catherine Austin Fitts** (0:38)
Time is flying.

**Tucker Carlson** (0:39)
Yeah, I meet people in airports all the time who are like, I used to think I was a conspiracy theorist, but now I know. But it's kind of a variety of that. But last time we had lunch a couple months ago, you were telling me about, and I wish we had this on tape, but we can recreate it here, about the control grid, a concept that you had explained when we last did an interview, and how it was, as you said at lunch, snapping into place. Can you just, for people who haven't seen your previous talk, explain what the control grid is, what it looks like and what it means?

**Catherine Austin Fitts** (1:13)
So the control grid is a process or an infrastructure that allows digital technology to be used to assert phenomenal surveillance and control of people. And at the very heart of it is what I call programmable money. So it's money that is no longer just a currency, it's money that comes with a set of rules that can be surveilled and forced. So imagine back in the pandemic, if your money, if I said, okay, you've got to lock down and your money won't work if you leave your house, you can't buy gas in your car because your money is programmed with AI and software to enforce a whole set of centralized rules. Programmable money allows the bankers who've been running monetary policy to now control fiscal policy and essentially replace legislatures and executive branch by making and enforcing the rules through the money. Now, that requires a large infrastructure of surveillance. So you need digital IDs and then you need the hardware locally and globally to do the surveillance and implementation. So for example, if you look at the local hardware, and now people are seeing it. Now that it's material, they're beginning to see it snap into place. So I don't know if you know flock cameras, but there are many communities across the United States that are entering into contracts paid by the taxpayers to put up cameras all around their neighborhood that track license plates and keep that data and share it with a variety of people. Or you have the FCC is trying to overrule local controls on cell towers, so they can literally put cell towers every 400 to 700 feet, so that they can have the kind of invasive surveillance you need. Or you have satellites now that can literally beam in Wi-Fi, so that whether you have Wi-Fi in your home or not, they can start to track you. And all those systems come, put you in what I call the panopticon. So we saw in the Middle East with the first war with Iran, we saw 11 leaders out of 12 sort of top leaders in science and government assassinated because they're literally tracking everyone and they can identify them and track them. And then you have invisible weaponry that can then take them out or can identify missile strikes. So...

**Tucker Carlson** (3:38)
May I ask you about, so you're talking about the 12-day war against Iran in June of 2025 We were led to believe just as newspaper readers or news consumers that those 11 Iranian officials were targeted with human intelligence. You know, that Israel had spies inside of Iran, but you're saying that was done digitally.

**Catherine Austin Fitts** (3:59)
That's probably, I would assume that that's probably true because you always want to get human confirmation of what the systems are telling you. It's always better if you have both.
But we are now moving into building out the kind of surveillance systems that can literally track, identify and integrate with not only our existing weaponry, but ultimately autonomous weaponry. So anyway, so let me step back. You've got three parts to the control grid. One is the local hardware and infrastructure, and that includes the data centers because if you-