Caleb Flynn's Girlfriend Searched THIS on Ashley's Last Night

Tony Brueski (0:01)

This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brueski and Robin Drake.

Robin Drake (0:08)

Before we get into anything that she did, you need to hear where she is with him now. The prosecutor asked her straight out how she feels about him. Caleb Flynn is who we're talking about. Ashley Botner, the mistress on the stand at the trial. And we are discussing it today with Eric Faddis, defense attorney, former prosecutor, and Robin Drake, retired FBI special agent. This is the clip that a lot of people are sharing. And the clip and the moment in trial that I think might have hit him the hardest when she says the words, I hate him. Take a look.

Tony Brueski (0:43)

How would you describe your feelings for the defendant today?

Alleigha Botner (0:52)

I hate him.

Tony Brueski (0:53)

Have you ever thought definitely about it?

Alleigha Botner (0:55)

Yes.

Robin Drake (0:57)

When?

Alleigha Botner (0:58)

And how did you feel? When we were in a relationship and I thought, I thought I was in love.

Robin Drake (1:06)

Why the change from love to hate?

Alleigha Botner (1:10)

Because I believe that he murdered his wife.

Robin Drake (1:16)

I'm a little curious, Eric, that we didn't have an objection there of the opinion being interspersed of, I believe he killed his wife. I mean, was there a reason that nobody objected there? Maybe that somehow this works into their play? I don't know. What's your thoughts on all that?

Eric Faddis (1:34)

I can't, for the life of me, think of a good reason not to object to that. It goes to what's called the ultimate issue. You can object if someone is on the stand, really taking the role, place of the jury and saying, hey, this is essentially how I would vote. I would vote for him to be guilty. You cannot do that. And so without question, that should have been objected to. Is this some sort of weird strategic thing that the defense thinks is actually going to go in their favor, her opinion that he killed his wife?

I can't fathom a reasonable attorney holding that position.

Robin Drake (2:09)

Or does the defense also want him to burn? They're just like, we're phoning this shit in.

Robin Drake (2:16)

I don't know. So, I mean, we just came off the Lindsay Clancy trial and we're seeing the dynamic in the courtroom between Reddington and how he's regarding Lindsay throughout that. Again, whether you're on the side of her being criminally responsible, now it doesn't matter. You're just seeing a dynamic between her attorney and her. And then we go into this case and we're seeing like this, this invisible wall between the attorney and Caleb who looks like he's literally sitting there alone in a vacuum of his own filth trying to pretend to be something he's not until it just collapses as her testimony starts. And so I, it still seems again, we haven't heard words necessarily, but you're just watching the nonverbal energy and dynamic in that courtroom between those two and it's just this dark difference.

I'm not surprised that they didn't object.

Robin Drake (3:08)

I want to talk about, and we're going to hear some of her testimony about what she searched in ChatGPT. She was trying to get information on how to basically wipe clean the devices of their chats and their pictures. Okay.

It sounds like she's preparing for a murder trial. Now, this is before a murder has occurred. Now, maybe that's just because we work in this world every day and we hear about people going to very extremes to try and get rid of information off their phones, which ultimately the phones and the clouds win.

How often, Eric, is it that in in divorce cases people are getting this detailed with deleting shit off of their devices? I get it. There's a custody dispute that's coming up likely if she were to remain alive. So I and from the perspective, again, of Alleigha, who's 20 and hasn't been through a divorce yet and hasn't been through any of those situations and you're watching Dateline, you maybe think that when anybody goes into court, this is part of the deal. You wipe the shit out of your phone so nobody has dirt on each other. But I don't know. It seems like there's a lot of preparation that is mountainous compared to what maybe one would have when it comes to getting divorced. And again, I get why they'd probably want to wipe it because they've been talking about killing her for the last year and that might not look very good when it comes to who's going to protect the custody of the kids. But I don't know, what's your take on that?