Caleb Flynn Trial Day 5: Botner Gave Him WHAT Final Deadline?!

Tony Brueski (0:00)

You're listening to continuing coverage in the trial of Caleb Flynn from the Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

SPEAKER_2 (0:11)

Please go ahead. Thank you.

You know, I previously ended you book 30 out of 34, and this book was found on some of the pages in the world, so I put Post-It notes in here, the labels number 1 through 10

SPEAKER_3 (0:23)

I'm gonna ask you first to go to Post-It note, and then I'll read that same number up and then read the different pages.

SPEAKER_2 (0:29)

And can you speak up just so I can hear you, all right? Yeah, thanks. All right, Post-It note 1

SPEAKER_3 (0:43)

Line 95219

Alleigha Botner (0:55)

Caleb said on October 21st, Alleigha, you were so sensitive and understanding yesterday and now you're so angry. I'm sorry. I'm not done trying to find a way. I know you're not waiting, but I haven't given up.

SPEAKER_3 (1:09)

Posted note 2 Line number 95,237.

Alleigha Botner (1:20)

I said on October 21st, the only way is having your girls half the time.

SPEAKER_3 (1:26)

Posted note 3 95,296.

Alleigha Botner (1:38)

I said on October 21st, I can't be stuck in it anymore. You promised you'd leave her. If you want your girls full freaking time, then you can't have me ever again. And you have chosen that. So I have to release you and let you go.

SPEAKER_3 (1:51)

Posted note 4 95,601.

Alleigha Botner (2:05)

I said on October 23rd, we can't be anything unless you leave her.

SPEAKER_3 (2:09)

And how did he respond?

Alleigha Botner (2:11)

He said, I understand.

SPEAKER_3 (2:12)

Posted note 5 96,084.

Alleigha Botner (2:27)

I said on October 28th, I mean what I say until she's gone, I'm gone.

SPEAKER_3 (2:33)

Next message.

Alleigha Botner (2:35)

You need to leave her in order for things to be OK. Talk to me again. I'm done doing the in-between stuff and getting so hurt every time. I'm taking care of me.

SPEAKER_2 (2:44)

Posted note 6

SPEAKER_3 (2:50)

96,122.

Alleigha Botner (2:55)

I said on October 28th, talk to me again when you decide to leave her and really choose me.

SPEAKER_2 (3:02)

Keep going, Liz.

Alleigha Botner (3:05)

I said, I'm done. Sorry, he said, I hate texting.

I said, until then, I gotta move on. He said, wow. I said, hurry before it's too late. Wow was right. I said, I'm done with my heart being played with. Either you leave her and choose me or stay with her and choose that life.

SPEAKER_3 (3:24)

Post your notes down. 96,152.

Alleigha Botner (3:41)

I said, on October 29th, you say you choose me and are 100 percent leaving her, then you suddenly don't know, then you choose me, then you don't know if it's a no or not, and expect me to just be okay.

SPEAKER_3 (3:53)

Posted note 8 96,213.

Alleigha Botner (4:02)

I said on October 29th, I have a timeline in my head and I'm going to let you decide when to do it and if I'm even worth it.

SPEAKER_2 (4:10)

Keep going on the next two, please.

Alleigha Botner (4:11)

I said better be diligent. He said, understood.

SPEAKER_3 (4:14)

Posted note 9 96,327.

Alleigha Botner (4:23)

He said on October 30th, I was going to do it in two weeks. Congratulations, you have chosen a life apart from me. I am in the bathroom blowing my eyes out because of the things you have just said. I never threw us away. I know things weren't on the timeline that you wish, but I never gave up and I told you that I choose you.

But now it's over because you, Alleigha, have chosen that.

SPEAKER_3 (4:41)

Post-it note, Chan. $97,320.

Alleigha Botner (4:53)

He said, November 3rd, and I deleted all her messages the day we blew up, when you said I would never get you back and we were completely done and erased anything from her as I hate and despise her.

SPEAKER_3 (5:47)

$98,774.

Alleigha Botner (6:00)

I said November 10th. I just can't imagine a world where you actually leave your girls half the time.

SPEAKER_3 (6:08)

$99,384.

Alleigha Botner (6:17)

He said November 12th, and I would full-heartedly agree with her. Sorry, agree. I hate her.

SPEAKER_3 (6:28)

$99,634.

Alleigha Botner (6:35)

I said on November 13th, I think very highly of you, Caleb, and no feeling I have towards you have to become stronger than my love for you. I'm sorry for my part.

SPEAKER_3 (6:45)

Keep going, please.

Alleigha Botner (6:46)

I said I need you, Caleb, and I need her gone in order to fully be okay forever. I can never describe the magnitude of pain she causes me. Nothing. He said, I love you too. I'm sorry for my part as well, and I know you need her gone. I need her gone as well.