Caleb Flynn Trial Day 5: Alleigha Botner Read WHAT About Hiring Someone?!

SPEAKER_1 (0:00)

You're listening to continuing coverage in the trial of Caleb Flynn from the Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

Alleigha Botner (0:20)

Mr. Watkins, if you'd like to further require this witness.

SPEAKER_3 (0:23)

Thank you, Your Honor. Good morning, Ms. Botner. I'm getting you who has been previously marked for identification purposes. Stacey Stutton, 6 exhibit 236, that's book 12 of 34, please. 42,771.

Alleigha Botner (1:04)

Caleb said on May 14th, 2025, I'm sorry. I hate her too. And honestly, I'm so mad at myself for today. It's so freaking hard to be near you and not want to kiss or touch.

But I just told you about that dream my dad had yesterday, and then today happens. I'm so freaking weak and a terrible person. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_3 (1:29)

43,248.

Alleigha Botner (1:42)

43,348.

SPEAKER_3 (1:45)

43,248.

Alleigha Botner (2:01)

Caleb said on May 16th, 25, I do care when I was hurting yesterday. I didn't throw out statements like that, but I should be used to that by now. I'm sorry this sucks. I hate this in my life, in this situation more than anything in the world. If I could literally kill her and not go to hell, I would do it in a heartbeat. That's how dark and hateful I feel.

I didn't get a response from you while you were playing pickleball for almost three hours. I wasn't mad because I knew you were with people and you were busy. You get so angry with me when you don't get a response right away or you don't get it the way you want it. You know that I'm with Ava and her friends. I'm not around Douche and I stay away from her at all times.

We did not plan this together. This is what Ava wanted and Douche scheduled it. I just show up and play, but I'm sorry it hurts. I'm sorry more than anything.

SPEAKER_3 (2:47)

When he said if I could literally kill her and not go to hell, who was he talking about?

Alleigha Botner (2:51)

Ashley.

SPEAKER_3 (2:54)

The next message?

Alleigha Botner (2:56)

He said, you have asked me to stop saying things about how you need another boyfriend or another man or what you can have with them. I'm asking you not to say things about me and Douche that are not true. You know I hate her.

Ever living guts.

SPEAKER_3 (3:09)

Next message?

Alleigha Botner (3:11)

And to say that I'll never understand how things are. Seriously, I know more than anyone. I'm not going to argue. I haven't done anything wrong. And if you're angry with me for not responding sooner or anything, I'm sorry.

I know it sucks. I know it more than anyone. I wish we didn't have to live this horrendous life.

SPEAKER_3 (3:31)

43,819.

Alleigha Botner (3:57)

I said on May 18th, 25, it's never a way either, Caleb. I understand your pain and go through these things every day when you only do a few times a month when I go to young adult events in the realm of Christ. Think about how this would be every day.

SPEAKER_3 (4:15)

Next message.

Alleigha Botner (4:17)

I said, and don't bring up how it's different.

SPEAKER_3 (4:20)

Next message.

Alleigha Botner (4:22)

I said the pain is not.

SPEAKER_3 (4:24)

The next message.

Alleigha Botner (4:26)

He said, I know it's horrendous, that's why I constantly tell you I hate her, I want her dead.

SPEAKER_3 (4:32)

Next message.

Alleigha Botner (4:34)

I said, and imagine how much you'd explode after every day, yet I'm still here. I've never said I'm done for good, no matter how frustrated I've been.

SPEAKER_3 (5:18)

46,034-46034.

Alleigha Botner (5:53)

You don't hate Will. You actually admire him. I've seen the message.

Caleb said on June 6th, 25, I hate her. I don't want to spend a second with you. You know that, and so no, you didn't really mean this.

SPEAKER_3 (8:00)

I don't want to spend a second with you.

Alleigha Botner (8:04)

Next message? I said, so tempting.

I can't live without you, and I've had this thought so often lately. How do we figure this out?

SPEAKER_3 (8:16)

Next message?

Alleigha Botner (8:18)

I said I genuinely can't picture my future any other way.

SPEAKER_3 (8:21)

Next message?

Alleigha Botner (8:22)

It makes me sick imagining it with anyone else.

SPEAKER_3 (8:25)

Next message?

Alleigha Botner (8:30)

He said, gosh, I love you.

SPEAKER_3 (8:42)

50,171?

Alleigha Botner (8:51)

I said, on June 12th, 25, life with you and loving you is so easy and just makes sense. I've fallen so madly in love.

I don't want to settle for anything less.