Caleb Flynn Trial Day 2: David Hammond Never Found WHAT?!

Tony Brueski (0:00)

You're listening to continuing coverage in The Trial of Caleb Flynn from the Hidden Killers Podcast and True Crime Today.

SPEAKER_2 (0:08)

Now, back to the courtroom.

So, bottom line, when you come on the scene in a situation like this, when you're called as a secondary agency or called in to assist, you're coming on the scene after the event, correct? And basically, you're working backwards, correct?

David Hammond (0:38)

Can you maybe explain that a little bit more?

SPEAKER_2 (0:41)

Well, you did not witness the event. So, by definition, you're starting at somewhat of a disadvantage. You're working backwards to try and find a solution, correct?

David Hammond (0:52)

I think that's correct. I didn't want to use the answer to that.

SPEAKER_2 (0:56)

And on some of the preliminary questions this morning, you indicated that the DCI was particularly competent when doing blood splatter pattern analysis, correct?

David Hammond (1:11)

Can you ask that one more time, please?

SPEAKER_2 (1:13)

Sure. On some of the preliminary questions this morning, you indicated that BCI was good at doing blood spatter pattern analysis, correct?

David Hammond (1:26)

The crime scene unit is particularly trained to look at blood spatter patterns when the conditions are right to do so.

SPEAKER_2 (1:35)

Okay. And that was not done in this particular case, correct?

David Hammond (1:42)

Because of the conditions.

SPEAKER_2 (1:44)

Okay. And one of the advantages sometimes in blood spatter analysis is to determine who in fact was on the scene at the time, correct?

David Hammond (1:55)

That would be something that we would look at as far as the cover construction.

SPEAKER_2 (1:59)

Sure. If you're close enough as the perpetrator to the actual scene, you can end up with blood splatter on you in the right situation, correct? Correct. Did you order the seizure of what Mr. Flynn was wearing on that particular morning?

David Hammond (2:18)

In discussions with the detective, some of the conversations were to retrieve his clothing from him.

SPEAKER_2 (2:24)

And nothing was found on that clothing, was it?

David Hammond (2:28)

Three days after the initial scene, I went to the London office of BCI, where a DNA scientist got cloning. There was some blood found on one particular item, but it wasn't sufficient enough for us to do anything as far as a blood spatter reconstruction.

SPEAKER_2 (2:49)

Bottom line, there was no match.

David Hammond (2:53)

A match to his DNA?

SPEAKER_2 (2:56)

Of course there would be a match to his DNA at what he had on his person. But I'm talking about a match of blood splatter from Ashley onto his clothing from that particular incident. There's no way to say that.

David Hammond (3:10)

I'm not aware of that evidence existing.

SPEAKER_2 (3:12)

Thank you.

So also in preliminary discussions this morning, hours ago, you indicated that you came upon the scene and that your arrival time was 7 or 9 AM, correct? Correct. And that was a long time after the 911 call, correct?

David Hammond (3:38)

Several hours.

SPEAKER_2 (3:39)

But certainly, if the 911 call is around 2.30, we're talking a bunch of hours, correct?

David Hammond (3:47)

Just doing the math, 3, 4 and a half.

SPEAKER_2 (3:50)

Thank you. And as far as when you got on the scene, you were given a briefing, and that briefing came from the police, correct? Correct.

And we know from that briefing that no one saw the intruder in this particular case, correct?

David Hammond (4:14)

The briefing didn't indicate that anyone was identified as entering the house.

SPEAKER_2 (4:18)

And no one saw the door that the person entered?

David Hammond (4:24)

I think the briefing indicated that the perpetrator or the person entered through the garage was the information that was provided.

SPEAKER_2 (4:34)

Sure. And that information came from a non-law enforcement trained individual who was under great distress at the time.

David Hammond (4:50)

I was provided that information from the Texas Police Department.

SPEAKER_2 (4:53)

The only person that they got that information was from Mr. Flynn. And the jury got to see what state he was in when that information was being provided. Objection.

Tony Brueski (5:06)

Is there a question?

David Hammond (5:07)

Yes.

SPEAKER_2 (5:13)

Bottom line, you accepted the briefing without interviewing Mr. Flynn, correct?

David Hammond (5:22)

My role at the scene was to provide...

SPEAKER_2 (5:24)

Is that a yes or a no?

David Hammond (5:26)

Can you ask the question again?

SPEAKER_2 (5:28)

Sure. You did not interview Mr. Flynn.

David Hammond (5:32)

That's correct.

SPEAKER_2 (5:35)

So you accepted the wording and the briefing without interviewing the source of the information on that particular day, correct?