Brutally Honest Interview of Elon Musk To The Economist Editor in Chief Zanny Minton Beddoes!!!

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (0:00)
Latest interview of Elon Musk. Not just the populist right, but the far right. In fact, very fringe parties in some countries.

**Elon Musk** (0:05)
No, I support the normal people.
What do you call the far right? Falsely.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (0:10)
You think it's the normal person? Okay.

**Elon Musk** (0:12)
Yes.
Literally, you could go back 10 or 15 years, and these policies were completely normal. In fact, one of the tricks that I think is funny, I think it's quite funny is to take a speech from Obama and Hillary and then go to someone who's on the sort of, what I call, the lunatic left, and say, what do you think of the speech by Trump? I'm like, oh, wow, he's the worst person ever. Actually, that was a speech by Obama, or actually, that was a speech by Hillary.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (0:48)
I agree that the center of gravity in this country has shifted. Certainly, the Democratic Party shifted to the left, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people like Rupert Lowe. I'm talking about people on the...

**Elon Musk** (0:56)
It's actually just normal people. It's just normal people.
And here are the principles. And tell me, which of these sound terrible? That we should have secure borders, that we should have safe cities, that we should have sensible spending.
Which of those three are far right fringe? And I would like to just admonish you and the media for the absurd characterization of the far right. It is and misleading and nonsense. Please keep this part in.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (1:30)
We'll keep all of this in.

**Elon Musk** (1:32)
Don't cut this part.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (1:34)
Let me push back on that.

**Elon Musk** (1:35)
Because you have...

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (1:36)
Nonsense. Elon, you have, what is it? Close to 250 million followers on X. You say things like, popular guy. Quote, civil war in Britain is inevitable. Just a question of the rain. On the current trends, yes.
When were you last in the UK?

**Elon Musk** (1:54)
A few years ago.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (1:54)
Exactly. So I live there. I'm there the whole time. That is nonsense.

**Elon Musk** (1:58)
You live at a coisted existence.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (1:59)
No, I don't actually. And the numbers also disprove what you say. What numbers? All the numbers about quote. London is a much safer city than any city in the United States. Violent crime in the UK is not where you think it is. In fact, it's coming down. You have painted, and because you have so many followers, so many Americans believe it, a kind of view that Europe and the UK are kind of overrun with terrifying Muslim immigrants. There's rape on every corner. There's a sort of civilizational destruction.

**Elon Musk** (2:27)
I haven't said any of those things. If you have a large and growing, rapidly growing group of people whose beliefs are antithetical to Western beliefs, at some point there will be a reckoning. That they will try to implement their views, and those who oppose it will oppose it. And that's what you call civil war. And obviously, this is the trend.
And you absolutely do live in a cloistered existence. And if you'd like, we can go on a tour of Britain.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (3:04)
Sure. I'd be very happy to come on a tour of Britain.

**Elon Musk** (3:07)
And you will see for yourself.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (3:08)
You come see my country that I live in all the time, and you haven't been to a few years ago.

**Elon Musk** (3:12)
Yes, I've been there literally a hundred times.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (3:14)
But when was the last time?

**Elon Musk** (3:16)
Literally a few years ago.

**Zanny Minton Beddoes** (3:17)
You know why this exercises me? Because you have really shaped opinion about the UK. And so many Americans I come across, and I have conversations with, and I just had one the other day, along the order of, oh, London's such a dangerous place. How can you know? There are sort of grooming gangs everywhere. There's violence everywhere. This is a picture that people get from things that you post or that are posted on X. And for example, you're posting for, what was it? 48 Hours of Citizen Vigilante.
That film, which paints a dystopian, I've watched it.
It was not fun. I watched it yesterday. It's not a very good movie, but it also paints a dystopian picture of Europe. And it glorifies vigilante violence. It glorifies the murdering of a Muslim immigrant family. I honestly think that it is irresponsible for you to put that up on X.