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**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:01)
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**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:19)
Hi friends, welcome to Dads And Daddies, a podcast about the lives and times of adult men in the here and now. I'm Brian Rubin-Sowers, the dad.

**Judson Morrow** (1:28)
And I am Judson Morrow, the daddy.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:31)
Hi, Judson.

**Judson Morrow** (1:31)
What up, boo?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:33)
I whisked you downstairs. I didn't let you say a word to my family. I've barely spoken to you since you walked in the door, because I'm so excited for a full update of your weekend.

**Judson Morrow** (1:45)
Oh my gosh. She's living.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:49)
I know.

**Judson Morrow** (1:50)
I am recently returned from the thing that I fucking talk about ad nauseum. It was Austin Naked Yoga Camp.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:01)
It's three days, four days?

**Judson Morrow** (2:03)
It's four days. It's check in on Friday, check out on Monday.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:05)
And you do talk about it the other 361 days of the year.

**Judson Morrow** (2:08)
I do, so much so that there were men who came this year because they heard about it on the podcast.

**Jordan Hurt** (2:14)
I love that.

**Judson Morrow** (2:16)
I love that too.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:17)
This is your third annual trip?

**Judson Morrow** (2:18)
This is my third time.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:20)
The second with your husband?

**Judson Morrow** (2:21)
The second with my husband. All of these men that identified themselves as listeners wanna fuck you.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:28)
Wanna fuck me?

**Judson Morrow** (2:29)
Yeah.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:30)
Oh, how nice.

**Judson Morrow** (2:31)
Yeah, I'm the space holder.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:33)
Oh, please, please.

**Judson Morrow** (2:36)
It was so, here's my TLDR. I'll offer like a little more texture, but like heartful, body relaxed, mind calm.

**SPEAKER_5** (2:47)
You look incredible.

**Judson Morrow** (2:50)
Whole wrecked.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:51)
Whole wrecked.

**Judson Morrow** (2:53)
Thank you so much. Yeah, I feel it was a really, really good reset for my nervous system. And because it's my third year, I'm seeing people, it's like, I'm seeing my old friends. Like there's a lot of repeat customers, so to speak.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:10)
It's like going to sleepaway camp.

**Judson Morrow** (3:11)
It is exactly like going to sleepaway camp. So to be able to do this like with my husband, all our old friends, all our new friends, the weather was amazing, the programming was amazing.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:23)
Well, I was gonna ask about the programming because this year was particularly special.

**Judson Morrow** (3:29)
Oh honey, I facilitated.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:31)
Yes.

**Judson Morrow** (3:31)
Last year after I attended, I emailed the organizers of the camp. Hey guys, hey Doug, hey Todd.
I emailed the organizers of the camp and I said, would you be interested in a Dial Into Daddy session where I teach people how to daddy? So I did that on Saturday night and Sunday night and it was awesome.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:54)
Oh my gosh. I didn't realize you were doing it twice.

**Judson Morrow** (3:57)
Yeah, it was early Saturday and then late Sunday.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (4:02)
Ended the late Sunday, is that when you got your whole wrecked after that?

**Judson Morrow** (4:06)
There was just like whole wreckage kind of just along the way. Listen, I don't want to miscategorize the nature and point of this camp.
They're actually thinking of renaming it something akin to like Austin Gay Men's Wellness Retreat because anymore, there is yoga for sure, but there are so many other programming options. Like I did a Dial Into Daddy course. You can find your spirit animal. You can go on a walk in like a forest bath.