Brian and Judson hookup with ‘Kink for Dummies’ co-author Jack Harrison-Quintana and talk making a better world through kink, finding your inner kinkster, marrying your best friend, the variants of jealousy in open relationships and so much more

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:01)
Every team, every topic, everywhere, this is Belize.
Hi friends, welcome to Dads And Daddies, a podcast about the lives and times of adult gay men in the here and now. I'm Brian Rubin-Sowers, the dad.

**Judson Morrow** (0:25)
And I am Judson Morrow, the daddy.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:29)
Hi, Judson.

**Judson Morrow** (0:31)
Oh my god, Brian, my heart so wells to see you. It's crazy.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:35)
Same, same. So our listeners hear us week after week, they don't know that you and I have been apart for like a month.

**Judson Morrow** (0:42)
One whole month.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:43)
Yeah.

**Judson Morrow** (0:43)
This is how organized Brian is.
He's like, oh, bitch, you're going to be gone? We got some mid-week recording to do.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:52)
So yes, you're welcome. But also apologies because I know that it might be jarring sometimes when we're talking about a part of the year that it isn't.
Right now, we're only recording this episode a month before you're going to hear it. But we've got more travel coming up and pretty soon, our episode is going to be a little bit even farther off. But we will get back to our 11 day in advance recording schedule by the end of the year.

**Judson Morrow** (1:19)
Yeah, eventually. So you won't have to hear us talk about Halloween in July.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:23)
Yeah, exactly. Hi, Judson.

**Judson Morrow** (1:26)
Hey, babe.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:26)
How are you?

**Judson Morrow** (1:28)
You know, I'm really good. I'm really good.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:32)
I'm very happy to hear that.

**Judson Morrow** (1:33)
Really good. Exclamation point, comma, question mark, but really good.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:39)
So I saw you post on your own Instagram that you have now gotten back into after months locked out.

**Judson Morrow** (1:45)
Yeah, Brian was like, can you stop using the Dads and Daddies pod as your personal dating service? I was like, okay.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:53)
And Judson miraculously remembered his password and got back in. But I saw that you post this Whirlwind trip that you've taken. Do you want to tell our listeners?

**Judson Morrow** (2:04)
Yeah. I'll give the highlight reel, the Harbor Cruise of the Whirlwind. And then I think over the next couple of episodes, I'll focus on specific parts because there was just so much.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:14)
Yes.

**Judson Morrow** (2:16)
Between the Monday morning of Pride and now, which is like the end of July, I went from New York City to Rochester to Boston to Provincetown to Detroit to Toledo back to Detroit. It was insane.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:35)
That sounds insane.

**Judson Morrow** (2:36)
I mean, there were all the reasons. And the big one is on Sunday night of Pride in New York City, I had helped a friend, our friend Jordan Hurt, pass out swag for the app Queerity. We had an amazing time. I was done in the city around 4.35. I came home, I had dinner, I went to bed. And I bolted up right at 4 o'clock in the morning. And I was like, something is wrong.
And I went out to the kitchen and I picked up my phone and I had three missed calls from my husband and a slew of text messages that his dad had died.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:25)
I'm so sorry.

**Judson Morrow** (3:26)
Thank you. Thank you.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:28)
This was a man that I got to spend time with. He was incredible. How old was he?

**Judson Morrow** (3:33)
Listen, this is not tragic. This is a celebration of life. He was 96 years old.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:39)
But you would never have known it. He joined us once for a Shabbat dinner and we had other friends here and the mom of that family, her mom has got to be in her 70s and she wanted to set her mom up with Bruce's dad because she could not imagine that they were more than a few years apart in age because he had such a joie de vivre. He was so alive and he joined us at the Cyclones Game last year when we, Dads And Daddies, sponsored the Cyclones Game for Pride Night.
This man was just so full of life and as your husband said, after his passing, that he didn't just lose his father, but he lost one of his best friends. He was really part of the gang.

**Judson Morrow** (4:30)
He was such a force. He had so much energy and the thing that's crazy is his memory was a steel trap. If I didn't do my actual paid job two days in a row, I would forget how to do it. Or my memory versus my memory, I saw this online. People my age know all the words to want to be from the Spice Girls, but can't remember why they came into the kitchen.