Brian and Judson hookup with Daddyhunt founder and CEO Carl Sandler and talk treating each other right on and off the apps, what it takes to be a good son, keeping Daddies alive and the importance of gay friendships

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Every team, every topic, everywhere. This is Believe.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:20)
Hi, friends, welcome to Dads And Daddies, a podcast about the lives and times of adult gay men in the here and now. I'm Brian Rubin-Sowers, the dad.

**Judson Morrow** (1:27)
And I am Judson Morrow, the daddy.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:31)
Hi, Judson.

**Judson Morrow** (1:31)
Brian, what's up?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:34)
You're very orange today. There's orange on your shirt. There's orange in the glasses. There's orange in your earrings, two different earrings.

**Judson Morrow** (1:42)
Do you know what's so cute? What's that? This one earring that looks like a goldfish in a bag, like that you would get at a carnival.
My colleague got for me while he was in Thailand, and he was just like, is it weird that I got you a present while I was on vacation? And I was like, is it weird that you're obsessed with me? No, because that is my plan. It's all good. It's all working.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:05)
You often wear a different earring in each ear.

**Judson Morrow** (2:08)
I'm asymmetrical, yeah.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:09)
I think that might have inspired my younger daughter, who has been doing the same.

**Judson Morrow** (2:13)
Oh my god, stop. A Jen Alpha is copying me?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:16)
I mean, I can't think of any other inspiration she might have gotten, so I'll have to ask her if it's from Uncle Jesse.

**Judson Morrow** (2:22)
I mean, I'm certainly not the first. Many a faggot before me has done this, but I just...

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:27)
But you're the one faggot in her life that she has seen this on.

**Judson Morrow** (2:32)
That's so sweet. Thank you. I feel really good, too. Counter to what I normally say, like if I look great, I feel like shit.
I look good and feel good today. That's amazing.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:42)
I love hearing it.

**Judson Morrow** (2:43)
How are you?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:44)
I'm good. I had a funny experience recently that I was going to share with you.

**Judson Morrow** (2:48)
Oh, please.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:50)
So the family went to a birthday party for somebody who I've spoken about on the podcast before because two summers ago, I met this person and his husband in the back room at the underwear party in Fire Island.

**Judson Morrow** (3:10)
And they have children.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:12)
They have one daughter. And we ended up exchanging information that night. And the three of us met up. This is a weekend that we were staying at the Belvedere. You were out there actually, it was the same weekend. We were promoting the podcast at the underwear party.

**Judson Morrow** (3:31)
Oh, yeah. When we met Daniel Nardiccio or worked with Daniel Nardiccio.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:34)
When we interviewed Daniel, we interviewed Rose Levine.
And so, yeah, so this was pretty early on. And I came back on the podcast and talked about this incredible threesome that I'd had at the Belvedere with this couple that lasted for like an hour. It was really some of the most incredible sex I've ever had. Anyway, so one of them is a frequent guest at the monthly or whatever regular sex party that, you know, friends throw. So we've maintained a friendship. And the husband doesn't go because, like Toby, he's not about sex parties.

**Judson Morrow** (4:14)
Which is fine.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (4:15)
Which is fine.

**Judson Morrow** (4:15)
Which is fine.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (4:17)
But, you know, because they have a daughter and I have two daughters, you know, we've tried, we've, the kids have still not yet met, but we've tried. And we've invited them to some parties and they've invited us to theirs.