Brian and Judson hookup with Barrett Foa and talk the magic of Meg Stalter; practicing acceptance; finding freedom, love and a new language at Burning Man; expecting less from our parents; texting with Kylie; and being kind to yourself when grieving

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Brian Rubin-Sowers (1:01)

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Brian Rubin-Sowers (1:19)

Hi friends. Welcome to Dads And Daddies, a podcast about the lives and times of adult gay men in the here and now. I'm Brian Rubin-Sowers, the dad.

Judson Morrow (1:26)

And I am Judson Morrow, the daddy.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (1:29)

Hi, Judson.

Judson Morrow (1:31)

Brian, I was thinking so much about you this morning.

Barrett Foa (1:34)

Yes.

Judson Morrow (1:34)

Because I was like, no matter how untethered I feel when I wake up, you're a very grounding presence for me.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (1:41)

That makes me so happy.

Judson Morrow (1:42)

I missed you. So we're back.

Barrett Foa (1:44)

I missed you too.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (1:45)

It's always so funny to me because we work very hard to make sure that our listeners do not miss a week of us. But you and I haven't seen each other in almost a month.

Judson Morrow (1:56)

Yeah.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (1:57)

So much has happened in each of our lives in that month. I don't know what we're going to do in this intro segment.

Judson Morrow (2:03)

I'll probably break it down over a couple of episodes. But I do think it was hilarious that just now, I'm still jet laggy, so my brain is slow processing and stoned in a weird way. Your daughter came in the kitchen and I complimented her tan, and then she said, I don't get sunburned because the sun isn't real.

Barrett Foa (2:27)

I don't know where that came from.

Judson Morrow (2:28)

It actually made so much sense to me when she said it.

Barrett Foa (2:31)

That's the first she's ever said that.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (2:33)

I'm going to have to investigate after we record where that came from and what that means. Yeah.

Judson Morrow (2:38)

Is it a construct? Let's tear this up.

Barrett Foa (2:42)

I don't know.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (2:45)

Okay. So before I ask you all about your last few weeks, this episode is coming out on September the 15th, which means in two nights on September 17th, on NBC is the premiere of Traitors, New Blood, which is the first US season of The Traitors to feature exclusively quote unquote civilians, and one of the people competing is good friend of Dads And Daddies, Michael Foote.

Judson Morrow (3:15)

I'm so, he's going to win.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (3:18)

I hope so.

Judson Morrow (3:20)

He's a literal genius.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (3:22)

I know.

Judson Morrow (3:22)

And he.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (3:23)

But he is a big personality.

Judson Morrow (3:26)

He is.

Brian Rubin-Sowers (3:28)

I'm so excited. I hope you all watch. If you've never watched The Traitors, it is some of the most fun on television. And I actually think this season will be the best jumping in point because it's not like a bunch of reality TV stars. Is that the right word? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're stars. So it's all people that you can just jump in and get to know with everybody else. It is, if you don't know it, it's the game mafia essentially, where there are a few people chosen as the quote unquote traitors, and the only people who know who the traitors are are the traitors themselves, and everybody else spends every episode trying to figure out who it is. But each episode, someone gets quote unquote murdered by the traitors. And so it's the traitors and the faithfuls.

And if a trader makes it all the way to the end, they automatically win.

And because the audience is in on the secret and knows who's lying to who, and you see people with such conviction be so wrong, it's just, it couldn't be more fun. I love it so much when it's on, so I'm so excited because the civilian season now means that we get, hopefully, a civilian season and a celebrity season every year, so we'll get even more traitors. But for Michael Foote to be on the first season of New Blood is so exciting.