Brian and Judson have a repeat hookup with Nasty Pig founder and CEO David Lauterstein and talk queer visibility, aging Daddy bottoms, the power of touch, bringing friends into the marital bed, and more

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:11)
Hi, friends, welcome to Dads And Daddies, a podcast about the lives and times of adult gay men in the here and now. I'm Brian Rubin-Sowers, the dad.

**Judson Morrow** (0:19)
And I am Judson Morrow, the daddy.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:22)
Hi, Judson.

**Judson Morrow** (0:22)
What up?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:24)
You would think that I would have nothing new to tell you.

**Judson Morrow** (0:29)
No, I wouldn't think that because you have a very active life.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:34)
Because you and I spent most of yesterday together.

**Judson Morrow** (0:37)
Yeah, almost the whole day. I took a break to go to yoga, and that's it.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (0:42)
And so, some of what I have to tell you we have spoken about over dinner last night, but I want to share with everybody else. But yeah, no, I have some updates.

**Judson Morrow** (0:54)
I'm so glad. All I've got is how much I fucking love being your neighbor.
It's so cute. My husband and I walked over here, and you and your husband were on the patio, and we all said hi and hugged and kissed like big faggots. And then I was like, this feels like TV.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:08)
I know.

**Judson Morrow** (1:08)
So sweet.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:09)
We live in Mayberry, especially in nice weather. It's really nice.

**Judson Morrow** (1:12)
Gayberry.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:13)
Yeah. I always joke about this neighborhood that during the warmer seasons, you have to bank extra time to go anywhere because you'll just continually run into people on the street. And I mean, that was our relationship for the entirety of the pandemic. We met you just before the pandemic.

**Judson Morrow** (1:30)
We were sidewalk friends.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:31)
December, yeah, December of 2019 And then we would run into you on the sidewalk all the time.

**Judson Morrow** (1:36)
And then I always deflected invitations to hang out because I knew you had children.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:43)
Little did you know that you would eventually become two of your favorite people.

**Judson Morrow** (1:46)
That's absolutely true.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (1:47)
Who you will be babysitting tomorrow night for the first time.

**Judson Morrow** (1:51)
Yeah. I mean, we have offered and offered and offered. And you're like, I love that your reason for not letting us babysit has historically been, we don't want you to babysit because we want to hang out with you.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:03)
Right.

**Judson Morrow** (2:04)
It's like, why would we be doing things without you?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:07)
Right.

**Judson Morrow** (2:08)
I'm looking forward to it.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:09)
Yes, we appreciate it very much. Well, tomorrow night we have plans and we had childcare in place, but we kind of share our sitter with another family. And at the beginning of each month, we always go through our schedules and compare notes.
And this was a pre-approved night, but something kind of serious came up with that family and they need her more urgently than we do. So we said, of course, we will find other child care. And we happened to be at dinner with you last night. I turned to your husband and I said, where are you two so late?

**Judson Morrow** (2:39)
Just really quickly, how late do kids stay up anymore? Like 11?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:44)
No, no. The younger one will put herself to bed by or around 9

**Judson Morrow** (2:50)
Jealous.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (2:52)
And the older one, I mean, we will be home. Of course, we're just going to see Oh Mary, big surprise, have to see Maya Rudolph.
So we will be home probably around 10 and she may still be up at that point, but she can also at some point take herself to her room and hang out in her bed if you're wanting that.

**Judson Morrow** (3:12)
And also, given what you told us about New York City Public Schools in June, who fucking cares if she's tired the next day?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:19)
Well, the next day is the fifth grade senior trip to the New Jersey mall that has an amusement park in the middle of it.

**Judson Morrow** (3:30)
They're going to Meadowlands as like a trip?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:33)
Is that what it is? Yeah, isn't it?

**Judson Morrow** (3:35)
The Great American?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:37)
Yeah.

**Judson Morrow** (3:37)
I think it's near Meadowlands.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:39)
Near, yes, yes.

**Judson Morrow** (3:40)
Just in my head, they occupy the same space.

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:43)
Yes, that's the senior trip that my husband has organized.

**Judson Morrow** (3:47)
That's very cute. And we're referring to fifth graders as seniors now?

**Brian Rubin-Sowers** (3:50)
Yeah.