**Tucker Carlson** (0:04)
Elizabeth Lane, thank you so much for doing this.
**Elizabeth Lane** (0:06)
Thank you.
**Tucker Carlson** (0:07)
So I was thinking about this interview, I never preemptively respond to criticism or really respond at all, but in this one specific case, I was thinking about it because you're from Georgia, not Atlanta.
**Elizabeth Lane** (0:18)
No, not Atlanta, the country.
**Tucker Carlson** (0:19)
The country of Georgia, the Caucasian country of Georgia. And you have been accused of being a foreign intel operative. Which you deny.
**Elizabeth Lane** (0:31)
Of course.
**Tucker Carlson** (0:33)
I just want to say out loud, I don't care. Because that's not the point. The point is, is the story you're about to tell true or is it not? And I should also say, having spent my entire life talking to undeclared intel operatives from one country or another, you look back and you're like, oh wait, you were working on behalf of that country. Live in a country where operatives for Israel are everywhere in our media. Paid or unpaid, irrelevant to me.
Even when Mark Levin says something, my first response, I forced myself to ask, is this true? Because that's what matters. So your critics would like the conversation to be about you, and I would like to see a conversation about what you're saying. So I just want to say that upfront.
**Elizabeth Lane** (1:20)
I love it.
**Tucker Carlson** (1:21)
No, because that's what matters. And the whole thing is a diversion tactic designed to get you off of whatever the person has claimed onto the person.
**Elizabeth Lane** (1:30)
Exactly.
**Tucker Carlson** (1:31)
And I don't personally play along with that. I hope that you don't, but I just want to say that out loud before we begin. So here's the reason that I was so anxious to talk to you, because I think you've gotten a lot of reporting and insight facts into a phenomenon that all of us have noticed in the past several years, which is the proliferation of, I don't want to use the word bot, but paid influence operations online.
**Elizabeth Lane** (2:00)
Absolutely.
**Tucker Carlson** (2:00)
On social media. And it's not just that people feel so passionately about something that they become a shill for this or that. It seems more organized than that, much more organized than that. And in fact, it is.
And so I'm going to stand back and let you tell the story, but I will want to kick it off by asking you, where is all of this coming from? So the president, for example, says we're going to have a Memorandum of Understanding with Iran, really our only option, clearly. And all of a sudden, there's just a wave of attacks against him. Someone else will stand up and say, wait a second, it looks like Russia could actually send a hypersonic missile into Poland. Maybe we should deescalate. Wave of attacks. Shut up, Russian agent.
What is the source of all that?
**Elizabeth Lane** (2:43)
You know, I'm glad you asked that, and I'm glad you mentioned the president, because some people think that it's coming from our government, and it's not. That's the thing. It's not coming from Trump's administration.
It's not coming from the government trying to, like, you know, shut the dissidents up. No, no, it's much bigger than that.
And there are people who speculated before that it is only from Israel. It is from Israel as a state. They don't even hide it. They declared themselves under FARA to get some type of control over our social media. But that's like something that I'm not even worried about because we know they are under FARA and we know we are going to run into operatives that work with them. Millions of dollars are wasted on this. What I'm worried about is my…
**Tucker Carlson** (3:31)
Wasted on it. You're right. And I know the operatives personally who are working for them. Some attacked you. I haven't even paid any attention, but I know Brad Parscale. I mean, these are sad, screwed up people who are not going to…
He couldn't convince you to come to dinner at his house. I don't think he's going to convince you to change your allegiance to a foreign country. So I agree with you. I don't think it's that dangerous.
**Elizabeth Lane** (3:51)
Yes. But there is much more dangerous force behind this. And you mentioned bots. So we got to differentiate between bots and paid propagandists, okay? So paid propagandists are not afraid to show their faces. They are actually out there speaking openly about Israel and how we should support Israel over the United States. But bots are way more dangerous because they are faceless and they operate in the shadows.
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