BONUS: Sandwich thrower stands trial, Mexican president sexually assaulted, White House ordered to use ASL interpreters

**David Pakman** (0:00)
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**Pat** (1:17)
Absolutely. I mean, crimes are almost never funny, but I feel like this is the exception because we know that nobody got hurt here. It's just the officer's ego that got assaulted here. And that's what this story is over. The fact that this guy was humiliated because he had a sandwich thrown at him, and the Trump administration more broadly has been humiliated by this incident. I understand why the grand jury refused to return an indictment for felony charges against this man, and this is now being prosecuted as a misdemeanor. But there's a whole bunch of interesting details to it, including how this guy had to testify about the smell and how they did a reenactment in court about the incident, even though why would we need a reenactment when there's video clear as day as to what happened. So it's just a bizarre story. But you know, you can't be throwing sandwiches at people. I think that is true.

**David Pakman** (2:09)
You get the the reenactment despite having video is a really funny thing. Also, can you imagine if that sandwich had had hot peppers on it? We would be talking about a whole that then it probably would be a felony.

**Pat** (2:20)
May have created some third degree burns for that officer. Honestly, if there's a crime that took place here, a serious crime, it's the fact that that guy decided to spend money on Subway in the first place. Now, he bought that sandwich knowing he wasn't going to eat it because he was going to throw it at someone, in which case, OK, that's a little bit more acceptable. But if he purchased that sandwich from Subway intending to eat it later, I think that's a crime in and of itself.

**David Pakman** (2:45)
There's another aspect to this, which is thank goodness that even though Subway markets the footlong sandwich as being a footlong, they're reportedly only 11 inches or sometimes 11 and a half, depending on how much how much compression the bread is experienced or stretching. This was far less dangerous because it was not a full footlong.

**Pat** (3:08)
Oh, it was a full footlong sandwich. It likely would have punctured the officer's bulletproof vest.

**David Pakman** (3:12)
Yes, exactly.

**Pat** (3:14)
Then felony charges would have been warranted.

**David Pakman** (3:16)
Anyway, what I think if we zoom out to be serious for a second, you know, I one of the things that we always say is let's not give them any opportunities to frame the protests as violent when when they are not. This was not no kings. This was like an acute incident when ICE officers were, you know, out there carrying out whatever sort of task that they were trying to carry out. It I still am of the mind that like we don't want to give them anything. This is just so cartoonishly funny that it just does feel less serious, but it still is we still need to take the same position, which is like this only diminishes the more the perspective of those of us who are against this presence. You just shouldn't do it.

**Pat** (4:02)
Yeah, I'm with you there. But if there was one instance of someone going over the top and doing the type of thing that we don't want to see our side engaging in, this would be the way to do it, right? The sandwich throw, because it is funny and no one got hurt.

**David Pakman** (4:16)
All right. This I don't know if you saw this video, Pat. I saw it on Tic Tac.