Apple Sues OpenAI Over ‘Stealing Trade Secrets’ & Netflix Plans Live TV Channels?

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Good Morning Brew Daily Show. I'm Raymond Liu.

**Kyle Hegge** (0:28)
And I'm Kyle Hegge.

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Today, Apple just slapped OpenAI in the face with a lawsuit that says, stop stealing my stuff.

**Kyle Hegge** (0:35)
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**Raymond Liu** (0:49)
Good morning, Neal and Toby are out, which means we have crowd favorite Kyle filling in. Kyle, welcome back to the pod.

**Kyle Hegge** (0:56)
Let's do it, excited to be here.

**Raymond Liu** (0:57)
Kyle, how fitted do you like your suit?

**Kyle Hegge** (1:00)
I mean, obviously you can tell, pretty fit. I like them loose. I like the ability to grow into them a little bit.

**Raymond Liu** (1:07)
Well, the Wall Street Journal writes, in the era of protein maxing, men want tighter suits. Writer Jamie Water points out that when UFC fighter Conor McGregor met with President Trump at the White House last year, many noticed how tightly fitted his suit was and how it accentuated his physique. David August, the designer behind McGregor's suit, said that after that appearance, you've received dozens and dozens of requests for the same tailoring. So as men are trying to bulk out with all the protein and powerlifting they're doing, they're trying to show off their muscles along with their style. Kyle, but Kyle, how slim is too slim?

**Kyle Hegge** (1:45)
I just got to say, you're taking fashion advice from Conor McGregor. I have some serious questions for you.

**Raymond Liu** (1:50)
Already a red flag.

**Kyle Hegge** (1:51)
Look, I need them loose as a new dad. I'm putting on a little few extra pounds. So again, I like to grow into the suit. So I'm not going slim suits, but if it works for you, it works for you.

**Raymond Liu** (2:01)
Yeah, I agree.

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The relationship between OpenAI and Apple has gone completely sour. Last Friday, Apple accused OpenAI of stealing trade secrets in its quest to build out a physical product line for ChatGPT. The lawsuit specifically calls out two former Apple employees, Tang Tan, a former hardware designer who worked on the iPhone, Apple Watch, and iPod. It is now OpenAI's chief hardware officer. And Cheng Liu, a former electrical engineer who was privy to some of its most sensitive product developments, Apple says. The claims say Tan told OpenAI candidates to bring in actual parts from Apple during its interviews. And Liu downloaded several confidential hardware related files as he was transitioning over to OpenAI.
In the lawsuit, Liu wrote to a former colleague, LOL, I found out I can access the network storage, so funny, end quote. OpenAI responded saying, look, it has no interest in other companies' trade secrets. We remain focused on building innovative technology that empowers people everywhere. Now back in February, Apple actually raised the issue of leaks to OpenAI, but they never responded. It's a partnership that's gone south. Apple asked OpenAI to help revamp Siri using its tech, but OpenAI grew disappointed with how Apple integrated ChatGPT. Kyle, this is a friendship that has kind of fallen apart, but technically they're still partners, so maybe they're more like frenemies?

**Kyle Hegge** (4:15)
I guess so. And one, I mean, clearly you are interested in other companies' trade secrets. I get that there's a lawsuit, so you gotta be careful with your quotes, but that just seems to be wrong, point blank. And for me, how did the people doing this think it was going to work? I'm sure Apple knows every one of my keystrokes, and I don't even work for the company, so the fact that you thought you might get away with this also blows my mind. I think for OpenAI to have their chief hardware officer being accused of a crime is just not a good look, and I think you brought up a really good point, which is the fall from grace.