Apple Says OpenAI Stole Its Secrets

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Coming up next, Jeff Jarvis and I dig in to Apple's big trade secret lawsuit against OpenAI. We also look at OpenAI's huge Gpt-5.6 week. The leadership kind of shake up that's kind of attached to that. Also OpenAI has a new codex keyboard like attachment thingy. A lot of stuff happening with OpenAI. We've got Demis Hassabis writing the essay that could or could not reshape how AI gets regulated.
Meta launching an AI image tool with Instagram hooks that so many people hated that they had to pull it a few days later. And a whole lot more. There's just tons in today's episodes, really great discussion. You're going to enjoy it next on AI Inside.
Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode of AI Inside, the show where we take a look at the AI that is layered throughout the world of technology, where me, Jason Howell, and my co-host, Jeff Jarvis, kind of learn about the AI world week after week. Although we've been talking about it for a while, I consider us not entirely novice at this point.

**Jeff Jarvis** (2:36)
No, no, and it affects us all, so we have perfect right to view AI and ask what it means for us all.

**Jason Howell** (2:43)
Kind of see what the heck is going on in the industry. How are you doing, Jeff? Good to see you. Good, good. Yeah, we've got, boy, as usual, if I could show you, actually, I'll just show you right now, the amount of tabs I have open at the top of this browser, which are all the links to the stories that we'll be talking about. It's a lot.
We'll probably talk about most of that stuff. Starting with Apple suing OpenAI, which on a week like we've had feels like eternity ago. It feels like, oh, we must have talked about that last week. But no, we didn't because this was like the end of last week. And so much has happened since then.
And this is not like a little a little patent like squabble. It's you know, it's full on what Apple is charging here is trade secret theft. They filed the case in federal court in northern California. Apple is basically saying that there was a coordinated effort to steal Apple's confidential information. And so that's a big that's a big charge coming from from Apple. And there's really interesting things tied into this case. OpenAI, we remember, you know, bought Johnny Ive's startup, IO Products, six point four billion dollars. That was just last year. And then we've been hearing about OpenAI building some sort of hardware, which we will get to because there's been some news around that, too.
Hardware chief at OpenAI is Tang Tan. Tang Tan is a former Apple VP. And Apple is saying that Tan was actively directing people who were still Apple employees, who were interviewing at OpenAI, to bring in physical Apple hardware parts to their interviews as like a show and tell. So first of all, like what? I don't get it, like how you are who you are and you've had all this success and you're at the top ranks of these elite companies. And yet you don't, if this is true, this is all allegations at this point, we'll find out throughout the case. But if this is true, how are you that person in that role? And yet you do this and don't realize that's a bad idea.