Anthropic's Fable 5 Is Mythos for Plebes

**Jason Howell** (0:00)
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**SPEAKER_2** (1:13)
No one goes to Hank's for his spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza. Lately though, the shop's been quiet. So Hank decides to bring back the $1 slice. He asks Copilot in Microsoft Excel to look at his sales and costs, help him see if he can afford it. Copilot shows Hank where the money's going and which little extras make the $1 slice work. Now, Hank says, I'll line out the door. Hank makes the pizza. Copilot handles the spreadsheets. Learn more at m365copilot.com.

**Jason Howell** (1:43)
Coming up next, Jeff Jarvis and I dig into Apple officially rebuilding its AI brain on top of Google Gemini, but possibly not in the way that you might think. Anthropic dropping its first public safety locked frontier model called Fable 5, aka Mythos for plebes, OpenAI announcing its IPO, but delaying it, I think, to make room for its super app and whether AI agents have now officially taken over more of the Internet than actual people. There's a lot to get to. That's coming up next on this episode of the AI Inside Podcast.
What's going on, everybody? Welcome to another episode of AI Inside, the show where we take a look at the AI that is layered throughout the world of technology. I am one of your hosts, Jason Howell, joined by my friend and co-host, Jeff Jarvis, the other side of the country.

**Jeff Jarvis** (2:44)
The center of the damn universe, just so you know.

**Jason Howell** (2:46)
Center of the universe.

**Jeff Jarvis** (2:47)
You guys out there may think that you've taken it over, you haven't. The Knicks are here in New York. This is the center of the universe.

**Jason Howell** (2:54)
Are you a big sports guy?

**Jeff Jarvis** (2:56)
No, not at all. But at this moment, I have to be.

**Jason Howell** (2:58)
At this moment, it makes sense, okay.

**Jeff Jarvis** (3:00)
You just have to be, yes.

**Jason Howell** (3:01)
All right.

**SPEAKER_5** (3:02)
Go Knicks.

**Jason Howell** (3:04)
Go Knicks.

**SPEAKER_5** (3:04)
Run, son.

**Jason Howell** (3:05)
See, I'm so clueless, I don't even know what you're talking about. That's how clueless I am.

**Jeff Jarvis** (3:08)
Whoa, you are a nerd.

**Jason Howell** (3:10)
So let's see here. Okay, all right. So apparently big things happening for the Knicks in the sports ball, I imagine.

**Jeff Jarvis** (3:17)
Game four tonight, man.

**Jason Howell** (3:19)
All right, cool.

**Jeff Jarvis** (3:21)
Trump fell asleep at the last game.

**Jason Howell** (3:23)
Oh, that's exciting. He just falls asleep in lots of places. As do I, I slept last night, at least I can say that.
Being a tall guy, and you are a tall guy as well, never really did well with basketball. I really cared too.

**Jeff Jarvis** (3:37)
No. Well, I was a new kid in schools a lot, and I'd walk down the hall and the coach would see me and I would say, no, no, no. It looks like.

**Jason Howell** (3:45)
Oh, you know what you should know.

**Jeff Jarvis** (3:47)
No, I believe.

**Jason Howell** (3:49)
Don't even go there.

**Jeff Jarvis** (3:49)
You don't know.

**Jason Howell** (3:50)
No, no, no.
So familiar with that on a personal level, my own experience as well. And I did try, and the story that I have for being a kid that my parents will love to tell when basketball and me being a kid and being tall comes up is that there was a game where I was playing and I finally got my hand on the ball and I raced to the hoop and I threw it. The problem is I threw it into the wrong net. So honestly, like I don't really remember this story, but it's the story they tell. So I, it might not be true, but that's what they tell people. Maybe it's meant to be symbolic more than anything. I don't know.