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Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of Distillation Attack on Claude

ChatGPT Podcast

June 25, 2026

In this episode, we cover Anthropic’s allegation that Alibaba-linked operators used nearly 25,000 fake accounts and 28.8 million Claude interactions in what it calls its largest known distillation attack. We also look at why model distillation is becoming a major front in the U.S.-China AI race.
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If you want to get access to this episode and my next 30 episodes, all ad free, so there'll be no ads on them, go check out my podcast, AI Chat. You can go search for that on Spotify or Apple. It's AI Chat. I'm gonna post all of these news episodes, and I'm also posting interviews, like I just interviewed the CEO of Cohere. They've raised over a billion dollars for their AI model, talking about what they're gonna be spending the money on and the direction of the AI industry, along with all of this new stuff. So if you wanna go check it out with no ads for free, it is AI Chat. Today on the podcast, Meta is changing its mind on reassigning thousands of its employees to AI training. And we also have Anthropic, which is accusing Alibaba of a $28 million query distillation attack on Claude, basically where you ask Claude 28 million questions, you get them back, you take the questions and answers, and it's called distillation, but you use them to train your model. General Intuition has just raised $320 million at a $2.3 billion valuation to train AI agents on gameplay, and Claude's paying customers are up 75% since January. This is pretty big because they're starting to eat severely into ChatGPT's lead. We also have Accenture, who is rationing AI tokens because their employees are burning them on basic tasks that are not super important, and Naveen Rao's unconventional AI claims a 1000x cut in inference power, which again, I'm super excited anytime we can cut the water and the power used for AI, because that is basically how we make this scalable, and we unlock a lot of really cool potential. If you've ever been sick of having to pay for multiple subscriptions to multiple AI models, and you want to talk to all of the top AI models in one chat, this is something that always annoyed me when I was stuck with just Claude or just ChatGPT or just Gemini, you know, I wish I could get the responses from others in there, especially when you have something like Claude, which doesn't generate images, or you have something like Grok, which might not be as good at generating audio as 11 Labs. I've built the AI Box Playground, my very own startup, where you can talk to all of the top 80 models in one place. So you can ask Grok that question that Gemini refuses to answer, and then you can get 11 Labs to create an audio file for you. You can get ChatGPT to do deep research and Claude to help you with reasoning. You can do it all in the same chat. So if you want to go check it out, there's 80 plus AI models, there's image, audio, video, even music models that we have in there. And you can talk with all of them in the same conversation, start multiple conversations, and you can compare the results side by side. Something I love is asking one model to generate an image and then asking ChatGPT to generate the image, and you can see the image results side by side. Pick what model is better for which task you're working on. If you want to try it out, it's aibox.ai/playground. It's only $8.99 a month, and I will leave a link in the description to go check it out. Okay, let's talk about what's going on with Meta. They have reversed the decision that they made last month to read a poll away thousands of their engineers, and they're gonna do this to a whole bunch of different AI training roles. They had this internal memo that leaked. It was seen by Business Insider, and it went very viral. But basically, it said that they are going to quote, defer to each individual's choice when they're talking about if they want people to go and work on the AI effort. So before they were like, okay, look, we're making a whole bunch of our employees are gonna be forced to kind of go and work on this AI training. They were reshuffling how they were organizing their whole company, and I think they got a lot of backlash from inside of the company. Apparently their CTO, Andrew Bosworth, said in a recent interview, he said that it was, quote, probably one of the worst it's ever been when he was talking about the morale over at Meta, just because I think they had done a bunch of layoffs, they're making a bunch of shifts.
And so anyways, they had this big backlash, they had a whole bunch of people inside the company that were like signing up, petitions against this big move. And so now they're going to let people decide if they want to work on the AI effort or not. My only thing that I will say here, because this was about 7,000 employees that were kind of recruited in May that were going to be doing like data labeling and a bunch of other mandatory AI stuff.

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