Andy Ngo: Cults, Human Experiments & Unsolved Murders Surrounding America’s Biggest Tech Oligarchs

Tucker Carlson (0:04)

Andy, thank you for doing this.

This is one of the most remarkable stories that I've ever heard. And so I'd love to start at the beginning. Congrats on the book. Who are the Zizians?

Andy Ngo (0:18)

The Zizians are a cult that has its origins in Silicon Valley, California.

I first started paying attention to what I then learned were parts of the story in January 2025 There, that was Inauguration Day. On Inauguration Day, I saw in the headlines that a US Border Patrol agent had been shot dead.

Tucker Carlson (0:46)

In Vermont.

Andy Ngo (0:47)

In Vermont, right by the Canadian border, very close to the Canadian border. Of course, with it being Inauguration Day, all of the international and national media coverage was on what was happening in DC, so it didn't get very much attention.

Tucker Carlson (1:01)

It was actually not far from that border crossing that day, weirdly, in Vermont, which is not far from here.

Andy Ngo (1:08)

It's a very rural area. In the middle of nowhere, it was icy, cold, super freezing, and two people were dead.

One being one of the alleged shooters. Another alleged shooter was injured but survived. And then the Border Patrol agent, David Christopher Marlin, was ambushed and killed there. So when I looked into that, I...

Tucker Carlson (1:34)

So you're just reading about this?

Andy Ngo (1:35)

Yeah, there were very few details. But then once I found out the names, and I started digging further. And this is in the context of where I've learned that we should come to expect media malpractice when it comes to a lot of details about criminal matters. Particularly involving gender and trans. So you can no longer take, for many years now, take even names and details such as sex at face value when it's being reported.

I learned this, unfortunately, through my reporting on leftist violence over the years, is that the media will use preferred names, preferred pronouns, preferred aliases, for individuals they report on, and oftentimes even on criminal matters. And so you can have all these stories where there are trans killers involved in violent cases and read reporting, and come out not even knowing that this woman who did this sex crime or did this brutal killing or did these acts of violence is not a woman but actually a man. So with the names, I just kept digging further. Initially, there was a lot of stuff going on in DC.

And I found out that, oh, huh, the surviving alleged attempted murderer in that shooting was had a applied for a marriage license in the Seattle area with a man in Seattle who had just been arrested for attempted murder, somebody who was an elderly key witness for a attempted murder trial in Solano County, California, which is in the Bay Area. And then I looked up, oh, that elderly man several years earlier has survived a brutal attack by trans suspects. He was impaled dozens of times. He had his eye gouged out in the attack. And after surviving that, he was assassinated by somebody now who has a connection to this person in Vermont. And with all these things coming close, coming together, I was like, there's way more to the story. And it's not just a simple case of an isolated homicide incident, but rather there appears to be a group involved here. And that was the start of my investigation. But I want to back up a little bit. You know, I have so much gratitude to you because five years ago, you provided a book blurb from my first book, Unmasked, inside Antifa's radical plan to destroy democracy. And my path from reporting on Antifa to writing about trans violence now, on the surface might not seem like this connection, but it completely was the logical path. At that time, in 2020, 2021, when there were so many riots going on after George Floyd died, one of my big projects was documenting those who were getting arrested. In Portland, where I was living at the time, I every night through public records got the booking photos, got the names and looked them up systematically. And I was seeing that there was a very odd pattern emerging at that time, which is that disproportionately, the suspects were trans in some way. They could identify as male to female, female to male, or non-binary, or some type of neo pronouns. This was 60 years ago, and I just put that thought in the back of my head. It was a question. I was like, this is kind of weird.

And you might recall that in 2019, I was brutally beaten in downtown Portland, reporting on Antifa. And a lot of people are familiar with that case. I suffered a subarachnoid brain hemorrhage from that. And the people who did it were dressed in black block with their faces covered. And the Portland police closed the case without arresting anybody. But I pursued a civil case against individuals, I had alleged, that were party to that attack. And or an attack that happened also in 2021 I was attacked repeatedly in Portland, which is also part of the reason why I've been in exile abroad, living in England now for all these years.