#565 Networks, Progression and Guilt: Six Career Opinions From Emma Grede | Start With Yourself

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**Helen** (1:30)
An extraordinary career is always the result of an extraordinary effort.
I'm very excited because I love this person. I love this person for ages. The person is Emma Grede. Are we ready for statement number one? It has not been my experience that people achieve great things by doing less. Do you agree with this?

**Sarah** (1:51)
An extraordinary career is extraordinary. As long as you think it's extraordinary.

**Helen** (1:54)
Yes.

**Sarah** (1:54)
I've got the capability here. I can lead this team or I can run this scale of projects. You have made that choice. You're like, I know why I'm doing this versus this is happening to me.

**Helen** (2:07)
If you want to have a great career, I think you have to create opportunity that has to come from-

**Sarah** (2:12)
Doing stuff.

**Helen** (2:13)
Yeah. I think otherwise you have the career that everyone else has.

**Sarah** (2:16)
You don't always have to agree with everything you read. But if you're going to think critically, then go, well, what would an alternative be? What could this look like? What would feel more useful?
Hi, I'm Sarah.

**Helen** (2:31)
And I'm Helen.

**Sarah** (2:31)
And this is the Squiggly Careers podcast. Every week we borrow some brilliance from a person, a place, a feeling, an object.

**Helen** (2:39)
The list is getting longer of things we're borrowing brilliance from.

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But it's endless. So that means the podcast will never end.

**Helen** (2:44)
Endless curiosity.

**Sarah** (2:46)
And we do try to turn that borrowed brilliance and that curiosity into useful actions for you and your Squiggly Career.

**Helen** (2:53)
And this episode is another one of our episodes in partnership with the brilliant Post-it.
And we are going to be talking about a someone's, we're borrowing brilliance from a someone. And we're going to combine it. You may think, why have they got this here? This is because this is Post-it's tabletop meeting chart. And we are going to be using it in the episode to talk about the person we are borrowing brilliance from. And I'm very excited because I love this person. And I've loved this person for ages. The person is Emma Grede, who has recently come out with this book, Start With Yourself, which has been all over social media. I think she's been very smart with PR, I would say.

**Sarah** (3:29)
I didn't even know who she was.

**Helen** (3:30)
I was going to say, because I'd followed her for ages. How did you find out about her?

**Sarah** (3:34)
Because of all the controversial things that were happening. And I think people that I, we must follow on Amazing If, or like people I'm aware of, that's how it kind of came into my consciousness.

**Helen** (3:44)
Okay.

**Sarah** (3:45)
You know, people reacting. And I was like, who is this? And you were like, well.

**Helen** (3:50)
Well, let me tell you about my love of Emma Grede. So if you don't know who Emma Grede is, she is the founder of Skims, which is a shapewear business that's gone into all kinds of, I saw them advertise this morning. They've done some collaboration with Nike. Probably known most for the, I don't actually know exactly what Kim Kardashian's involvement is in it. I don't know whether she's co-founded or whether she's got a brand. I don't know quite what the equity arrangement is there.