20VC: Jake Paul on Why Traditional VC is Toast and Attention is More Valuable Than Cash | Politics: Will Jake Paul Actually Run for President? | Inside the Payday of Fighting Anthony Joshua and Mike Tyson | with Geoffrey Wu, Co-Founder at Anti-Fund

**Jake Paul** (0:00)
Attention is more valuable than capital.

**Geoffrey Wu** (0:02)
Can VCs become influencers faster than, like, Native influencers like Jake and Logan can become VCs?

**Jake Paul** (0:08)
I just hang out with Trump, and I go on stage and do a speech off the top. And the first thing he says to me on stage when I turn around is, Oh, you're gonna run for office someday. And then we go backstage, and he's like, you should be the president. And then he endorses me. I think he is arguably one of the best presidents the United States has had in this term. Money buys freedom. And I think freedom makes people happy.

**Harry Stebbings** (0:35)
This is 20VC with me, Harry Stebbings. And today we have such a different one for you. Jake Paul, one of the most recognizable people on the planet, is in the studio, baby. He's here with his partner, Geoffrey Wu. What you don't know about Jake, he's probably one of the best investors of the last few years with his fund, the Anti Fund. They've backed the likes of Ramp, Cognition, Chronosphere and many others. This is a show unlike any that Jake has done before, ranging from politics to parenting to the next generation of great investments. This was a fascinating discussion, revealing a side to Jake that I don't think many people have seen before. But before we dive into the show today, here's a question for any founder listening. What would your marketing team do with an extra 30 hours a week? That's roughly what teams get back when they stop manually building every campaign, every workflow, every email. Right now, your best marketing people are spending their days cloning templates, configuring audience segments and chasing data across systems. That's not what you hired them for. Conversion is the first marketing automation platform where AI agents handle the execution. Your team focuses on strategy, on messaging and pipeline. The agents handle the rest, building campaigns, personalizing every touch point per account, and deciding the next best action automatically. Whether that's pinging your AE., launching a retargeting sequence or dropping someone into a nurture, the agents figure it out. And that's why over 4,000 B2B companies have already made the switch, including People Data Labs and Adaptive Security. So head on over to conversion.ai/20vc and get $10,000 off. That's conversion.ai/20vc for $10,000 off conversion. After Granola captures the conversation, Artisan helps start the next one. Meet Ava, the first autonomous AI BDR built by Artisan to run your entire outbound on autopilot.

**Jason Lemkin** (2:29)
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**Harry Stebbings** (2:43)
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That's A-R-T-I-S-A-N dot co-C-O slash 20VC. And speaking of great companies, we have to talk about Monaco. For years, I've watched some of the best founders and early go-to-market teams struggle with sales. Too many CRMs, too many point solutions, too much manual work. Well that changes with Monaco. Monaco replaces your legacy CRM and fragmented sales stack with a single AI native platform. Monaco's agents automatically build and score your entire TAM, lay it in real-time signals, create and run outbound sequences, schedule calls and record and transcribe meetings. Your pipeline practically manages itself. Monaco creates reminders, dross, follow-up emails for you, and keeps deals moving forward. So that means more meetings, higher conversion rates, and faster revenue growth. If you're an early stage startup, tired of duct taping sales tools together and looking to grow revenue faster, check out Monaco at monaco.com. You have now arrived at your destination. Boys, it is so good to have you in the studio. I'm so excited that we got to do this in person. So thank you for joining me.

**Jake Paul** (4:24)
100%, man. Thank you for having us.

**Harry Stebbings** (4:26)
Now, I want to start on the fund. This is a VC show first and foremost, but I actually spoke to John Wanda, who is a portfolio company of yours. And he said that you've actually got to start with just mapping out the Jake Paul business empire ecosystem to fully understand what it's like. Can you just give us like an overview, and whoever's best for this, an overview of what the Jake Paul business empire looks like today?