20Product: Replit CEO on Why Coding Models Are Plateauing | Why the SaaS Apocalypse is Justified: Will Incumbents Be Replaced? | Why IDEs Are Dead and Do PMs Survive the Next 3-5 Years with Amjad Masad

**Amjad Masad** (0:00)
We're approaching a certain plateau in how good coding models could get. Cost question is secondary to the performance question. When you focus on cost is when you reach a certain asymptotic plateau in the S-curve.
I think for all intents and purposes, ideas are dead. The name of the game is just staying one, two, three, four, 10 steps ahead.

**Harry Stebbings** (0:24)
This is 20 Product, the monthly show where we sit down with the best product minds to unpack the future of product, how the best product managers work, and what that looks like in a world of AI. We could not have a more relevant guest than Amjad Masad, co-founder and CEO at Replit, joining us in the hot seat. The man is reshaping what it means to be a great product manager, what it means to be a great product leader, and Replit is one of the leading vibe coding tools alongside the likes of Lovable. This was an incredible discussion with Amjad and I'm really excited for you to hear it. But before we dive into the show today, have you ever felt a little stuck at work? Maybe you're stuck in back-to-back meetings, stuck without clear feedback, or trying to learn a new AI workflow. Well, now you can move work forward with Loom, the AI first video platform from Atlassian. Use Loom to simultaneously record both your screen and yourself to share a quick update, provide feedback, train a colleague and everything in between. AI instantly adds a title, a summary, and edits to your video so clarity travels with the work. Finally, you'll have more focus time, fewer unnecessary meetings and more effective ones. It's a real team changer and game changer for personal productivity. Try Loom today at www.loom.com. Once Loom gets the message across, Finn keeps the conversation going with customers. As AI agents become more common in customer experience, teams often end up juggling multiple silo tools for every job. Well, Finn was built to change that. It's a single unified agent that works across your entire customer experience, from service to sales to success and beyond. Finn is the agent making perfect customer experiences possible for thousands of customers. It's powered by custom models, trained on years of real customer interactions, so it understands the nuance and complexity of customer service better than any other agent. That means faster resolutions, more consistent support, and just better experiences for every customer. It's also designed to be fully self-manageable, so you can easily improve and adapt it as your business evolves. No third parties required. Leading companies like Gamma, Asana, DoorDash and crypto.com already use and love Finn to deliver better customer experiences. So see what Finn can do for your team at finn.ai/20vc.
While Finn helps answer the customer, Framer helps impress the next one. You know that moment when marketing wants a landing page, design mocks it up and engineering says, yeah, we'll get to it. Thousands of businesses from early stage startups to Fortune 500s are choosing to build their websites in Framer, where changes take minutes instead of days to solve this very problem. Framer is an enterprise grade, no-code website builder that works like your team's favorite design tool, and it's used by companies like Perplexity, Miro, Mixpanel to move faster. Designers and marketers can fully own the site with real-time collaboration, robust CMS built for SEO, and advanced analytics that include integrated A-B testing, so you're not just shipping pages, but you're maximizing what works. When you're ready to ship, changes go live in seconds with one click, publish without relying on engineering. Plus, Framer is built for scale with premium hosting, enterprise grade security, and 99.99% uptime SLAs. Whether you want to launch a new site, test a few landing pages, or migrate your full.com, Framer has programs for startups, scale ups, and large enterprises to make going from idea to live site fast. Learn how you can get more out of your.com from a Framer specialist, or get started building for free today at framer.com/20vc for 30% off, 30% off a Framer Pro annual plan. That's framer.com/20vc for 30% off.
framer.com/20vcrules and restrictions may apply. You have now arrived at your destination. Amjad, dude, I'm so excited for this. I've wanted to make this one happen for a while. So thank you so much for joining me once again today.

**Amjad Masad** (4:23)
My pleasure. Great to be here.

**Harry Stebbings** (4:25)
We were just chatting about kind of the desert the Replit's been through and like the amazing position today.
Did it take a long time for the world to see what Replit was? Or did technology take a long time to catch up to your vision of what it could be?