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**Jason Y. Lee** (1:35)
We've never had Nick Fuentes on. That's not for lack of interest necessarily from Nick.
But it is something we, the question becomes, if what I said is true, which is, we want to have honest conversation. And just because we have someone on is not us. So there's no thumb on the scale, right? Jubilee is not saying, hey, because we have this perspective on that, we're validating that viewpoint necessarily. We're creating the circumstance where these conversations are happening. At what point does a viewpoint become big enough or a perspective become big enough that we need to hold it to account?

**Jon Favreau** (2:12)
Right.

**Jason Y. Lee** (2:13)
And I don't know. And we haven't had Nick on.

**Jon Favreau** (2:15)
Would you?

**Jason Y. Lee** (2:17)
Right now, we haven't. And I think there's a reason why.

**Jon Favreau** (2:21)
Yeah.
I'm Jon Favreau, and you just heard from today's guest, Jason Lee, the founder and CEO of Jubilee, the massive YouTube channel that's become known for its viral political debates. You've almost certainly seen a Jubilee clip, specifically a clip from their famous or infamous debate series called Surrounded, where one person sits in the center of a room and a circle of about 20 people takes turns running up to debate them. Surrounded features political commentators, many of whom you are certainly familiar with.

**SPEAKER_4** (2:58)
My next claim is that trans women are not women. What's your name?

**SPEAKER_3** (3:07)
Sam.

**SPEAKER_4** (3:07)
Nice to meet you. Let's define our terms.

**Jon Favreau** (3:09)
A woman is an adult female, XX chromosomes. You tell me what is a woman.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:13)
I think a woman is somebody who identifies as a woman.

**Jon Favreau** (3:16)
Got it.

**SPEAKER_4** (3:17)
That's not a definition.

**Jon Favreau** (3:18)
It's like saying a table is something that identifies as a table.

**SPEAKER_4** (3:20)
Give me an objective definition of how it's not a table is an object.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:23)
Well, a table can't identify as anything.

**Jason Y. Lee** (3:26)
It doesn't have a choice.

**SPEAKER_5** (3:27)
Whether it's freedom of speech, what does the declaration say?

**Jason Y. Lee** (3:29)
Trump is attacking that freedom of religion.

**SPEAKER_4** (3:31)
Trump is attacking that.

**Jason Y. Lee** (3:32)
He's not attacking freedom of religion.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:33)
How is that a Muslim ban?

**Jason Y. Lee** (3:34)
We had a Muslim ban in this country.

**SPEAKER_6** (3:36)
No, we have never had an actual Muslim ban. That is an insane claim by you.

**Jason Y. Lee** (3:40)
Yes, we did.

**SPEAKER_6** (3:41)
That is an insane claim.

**Jason Y. Lee** (3:41)
It had to be overturned by the Supreme Court. You don't condemn Nazi persecution of the Jews.

**SPEAKER_6** (3:47)
I think that there was a little bit of persecution.

**Jason Y. Lee** (3:50)
We may have to rename the show because you're a little bit more than a far-right Republican.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:54)
Hey, what can I say? I think you say I'm a fascist.