You’ll Fail at Love…Until You Realize This | Simon Sinek

Michael Gervais (0:00)

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Simon Sinek (1:27)

I've gone on dates where literally the person I'm on a date with, like have you ever been married? And they said to me, what's wrong with you? Why haven't you been married? And the stress that I've carried for decades for being a failure, and I am bad at relationships.

Michael Gervais (1:42)

What if our deepest human needs for connection and belonging hold the real answers for navigating a world that's racing ahead with technology?

Simon Sinek (1:49)

I have a friend who was in a 16-year unhealthy relationship. She admits freely that she should have been in it for one year. Society looks at her and says, she did it right, I did it wrong.

Michael Gervais (2:00)

Welcome back, or welcome to the Finding Mastery podcast, where we dive into the minds of the world's greatest thinkers and doers. I am your host, Dr. Michael Gervais, by trade and training a high-performance psychologist. Now the idea behind these conversations is simple. It's to sit with the extraordinary, to learn, to really learn about how they work from the inside out. Today's guest is the brilliant and engaging Simon Sinek. He's back for a second time on the podcast. Now in this conversation, we discuss the deep value of friendship, why it's not just a nice to have, but it's essential for survival and happiness.

Simon Sinek (2:34)

None of us can achieve happiness, success, any kind of satisfaction with this very difficult thing called life alone. We're not great white sharks. We don't roam the seas by ourselves, but in groups we're absolutely remarkable. And we take for granted that friends are more than a nice to have. They're essential for survival and the ability to thrive. But are we good at friending? Most people think they are good friends. And then you peel the onion just one layer, and you discover that most people are pretty bad friends.

Michael Gervais (3:06)

Plus we dig into AI, not as a dystopian threat, but as a mirror forcing us to re-examine what's real.

Simon Sinek (3:13)

The value of human is now going to go up because the value of machine is low. Your pottery barn mug, it is perfect in every way. But a Japanese ceramic mug made by hand with its imperfect sides and the wonky glaze, it is more beautiful because it is human, because it is imperfect.

Michael Gervais (3:31)

With that, let's jump right into this week's conversation, Simon Sinek. Simon, every time I get to sit with you, you keep me on pins and needles, like I'm on my toes where it's like, there's something brilliant that you're about to reshape the way I think.

Simon Sinek (3:51)

Oh my goodness.

Michael Gervais (3:52)

Yeah, standards are high now. Yeah. So one, this is me saying thank you for-

Simon Sinek (3:58)

Well, I'm here to disappoint, so.

Michael Gervais (4:00)

Let's not do that. But I have such an appreciation for how you think the discernment you go through to get to clarity of ideas, the way you tell stories, the way you understand the experience that people are going through right now. And so I'm stoked to sit with you again.

Simon Sinek (4:16)

Oh, thanks. Thanks for having me. I always like talking to you.