You Want a Boat? I Noah Guy
Data Over Dogma
October 6, 2025
This week, it's the story of Noah's ark! But WHICH story? Is it possible that there was more than one ark narrative floating around in the sea of antiquity? If so, how did the biblical authors handle the differences? We're taking the differing (even conflicting?!
Speakers Dan Beecher, Dan McClellan
TopicsSociety & CultureHistory
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Dan McClellan (1:00)
He built the Ark out of gopher wood. Maybe there was some shit-em.
Dan Beecher (1:05)
I'm hoping for shit-em. That's my wood right there.
Dan McClellan (1:09)
Yeah, shit-em real good.
Dan Beecher (1:10)
If I'm going to have biblical wood, it's going to be shit-em. Let's move quickly past what I just said.
Dan McClellan (1:24)
Hey, everybody. I'm Dan McClellan.
Dan Beecher (1:25)
And I'm Dan Beecher.
Dan McClellan (1:27)
And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How go things this time around, Dan?
Dan Beecher (1:42)
We're having fun here at the Data Over Dogma podcast, where you and I have already recorded this.
Dan McClellan (1:50)
Yes.
Dan Beecher (1:51)
But no.
Dan McClellan (1:52)
Recorded and lost.
Dan Beecher (1:53)
Recorded and lost.
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Dan McClellan (2:07)
All new jokes. This time around, we promise.
Dan Beecher (2:10)
All you get from us is fresh content. We promise to attempt, at very least, not to skip anything just because we think we've covered it in our adult brains.
So anyway, we're diving in. This week, we're going to be doing a textual healing, and that is the healing that we're going to be doing.
Dan McClellan (2:33)
We have got that feeling. Yeah.
Dan Beecher (2:36)
Well, and when I get that feeling, I need that textual healing. This one, we're going to be doing some Genesis, a little Genesis 6 action, which is 6 through 8
Dan McClellan (2:48)
6 through 8, yes.
Dan Beecher (2:49)
Which is our good friend Noah and his shiny new boat. And then, in the latter half of the show, we're going to do a terrible parable. It's actually not that terrible. We'll see how we do. We'll see how it goes.
Dan McClellan (3:03)
It's not the worst parable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan Beecher (3:05)
Consider the lilies is what I have to say about that. We'll get to some Luke down the road, but let's start, as you and I already have, Dan, with textual healing.
And this week, like I said, it's Genesis 6 We're starting, but not the very beginning of Genesis 6
Dan McClellan (3:29)
No, no, that begins with a sordid tale. The B'nai Elohim, the children of God, and those scrappy B'notadam, or daughters of humanity, they do their thing.
And that, you know, we've been, we've covered that before.
Dan Beecher (3:47)
Yeah, we talked about that. And it made the Lord miffed. Miffed.
He was not happy about it. But it's funny because the first four verses of chapter 6 feel almost entirely unrelated to the rest of what happens in chapter 6
Dan McClellan (4:07)
I happen to think this is probably something that was tacked on closer to the end in an effort to give a better rationalization for God deciding to destroy everything that lives upon the earth.
Dan Beecher (4:18)
Oh, okay. So people were reading it and they were going, but why though? There's a flood, but why? And they're like, you remember how God's kids mated with ladies?
Dan McClellan (4:32)
And in the middle of this, we have God saying, you know what? People aren't going to live as long after this. Yeah, I don't want them around as long.
Dan Beecher (4:43)
So that's true, because because just the one chapter before this is the list of all of the patriarchs. And it's like so and so lived 800 years and then so and so, you know, they all lived. And matter of fact, the last paragraph or the last bit in in chapter five is it says, and Noah Young, you know, young Noah sowed his oats for 500 years, wild away those first 500 years of youth. And then finally, with the boys just out gambling, party all night long, finally decided to settle down at 500 at the young age of 500
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