**Peter Diamandis** (0:00)
For the first time in US history, the executive branch has placed a national security hold on commercial AI products.
**Dave Blundin** (0:06)
The models are so insanely capable that they have to be controlled.
**Emad Mostaque** (0:11)
Certain models will be available to everyone, certain models won't, and now they're becoming more and more gated, and I think this will only accelerate.
**Peter Diamandis** (0:18)
Bottom line, the US government is now in the release loop.
**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (0:21)
Well, it looks like protectionism.
**Dave Blundin** (0:22)
The government is too late.
**Peter Diamandis** (0:24)
Might it be possibly crushing OpenAI and Anthropic's valuation? It's reported that the leadership is pulling back on their near-term IPO.
**Dave Blundin** (0:32)
It's just a different world from being a private company, and I just think they're suddenly realizing, wow.
**Peter Diamandis** (0:39)
Our next story is from Anthropic, who accuses China's Alibaba of running a massive distillation campaign against Claude.
**Dave Blundin** (0:47)
This will be the excuse that the US and Europe and maybe South America use, because they need to suppress Chinese AIs somehow.
**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (0:56)
The world seems to be on a path, sort of a second Cold War type path.
**Dave Blundin** (1:00)
Anyone who's shocked by this is way out of touch with what China is actually doing. Now, that's a moonshot, ladies and gentlemen.
**Peter Diamandis** (1:12)
So, Emad, I hear it's hot out where you are in London.
**Emad Mostaque** (1:15)
Yeah, it's 5% penetration of AC here, and it's like 40 degrees Celsius. So, I was just saying, I'm going to quit being an hour entrepreneur and become a HVAC roll-up specialist. That's the real route to health.
**Peter Diamandis** (1:28)
Market potential. Dave, how about you?
**Dave Blundin** (1:32)
I'm in beautiful Creechi, Vermont. It's gorgeous up here.
**Peter Diamandis** (1:35)
Yeah, fantastic. Alex, it looks kind of boring back in that background again. Where are you actually today?
**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (1:41)
Is the background even real, Peter?
**Dave Blundin** (1:44)
You're in a bunker. You've got your upload ready to go, your cans of canned tuna for the next 20 years.
**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (1:53)
I'm vegetarian, but I do like to say, don't take off the takeoff.
**Peter Diamandis** (1:58)
I just got back from a 24-hour sprint to Fairbanks, Alaska. I was there for 24 hours during 24 hours of sunlight, there for the wildfire finals.
We just decimated in California, Greece, Australia, around the world of these fires. And about five years ago, I said, this is ridiculous. We need to be able to find a fire at ignition, like just at the very beginning, and put it out autonomously within 10 minutes. Well, these are the finals. We have three teams that competed in Fairbanks. And we chose Fairbanks because they had the drone approvals. All these were drone companies.
Anderl was one of them. So it's great, Palmer's in the competition. When he's at our Moonshot gathering in September, we'll talk about that. Another one from Germany called Dryad, and one from a combo of Australia and the Queensland of the UK was called Aura. All three of them using drones and just being able to, you know, fleets of drones spotting the fire and then dumping suppressant on them. So very impressive. Hopefully at the end of this, you're going to have wildfires being a thing of the past or destructive wildfires, it is. So that was my weekend playtime. Yeah.
**Dave Blundin** (3:15)
That's so cool. What's the coverage? Like how many drones do you need to cover, say, all of California?
**Peter Diamandis** (3:20)
Well, the goal of the competition was cover a thousand square kilometers and then being able to find the fire. There were decoy fires. If the fire was more than two meters in size or it was moving, then zap it and put it out. So I think the teams were using fleets of autonomous aircraft and drones to do the coverage.
Anyway, it's coming. It's coming. And then they're going to, someday we'll see optimist robots out there in the field, but get rid of putting humans at risk and use the technology where the technology is best.
**Dave Blundin** (3:55)
Yeah, I think that's going to be like the oil cleanup. Xprize is going to be one of those ones that just creates a global best practice in one iteration.
And that's the best Xprize theme, when something wins and immediately goes into deployment, just like oil cleanup did, and becomes the way it happens for the rest of time. That's just a cool thing.
**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (4:14)
Time to start one-shotting Moonshots.
**Peter Diamandis** (4:17)
Shall we get into it, gentlemen? You guys ready?
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