Why Does The Modern World Make No Sense? - Tom Segura - #901

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
What is going on with the health and fitness stuff? It seems like I looked at some photos of you from 10 years ago, and you're like half the size.

**Tom Segura** (0:07)
Yeah. I don't know. You just get tired of everything. So you go, I'd like to be around and feel better.
So it's an always happening thing. I don't feel like it's a thing that you just address once and you're done with it. It's something that you are just thinking about, I think, all the time.

**Chris Williamson** (0:35)
Is this gone are the days why you can fully live out the degenerate smoking, create a lifestyle?

**Tom Segura** (0:43)
I did that. I already did it.
When you're really in it, there's a freedom to be in like, I'm a fucking gross sack of shit and you just don't care, and you just eat in bed and smoke. I used to go to bed at three in the morning, almost every day, and I would sleep until noon. But that was normal. I did that for years. And there's a freedom in being like, yeah, I don't care. I don't give a shit. But I do think it has, well, it literally does have an expiration date. I don't think it does. You will die quicker if you do it that way. So I think you just go, I actually don't physically feel so great after a while. I think in your head too, you psychologically are just like, there's another way of doing this. I was somebody who I would admire those comedians that were a mess. So you go, I need to be like this.

**Chris Williamson** (1:50)
It doesn't feel so contrived. This is their purest artistic expression. They're on stage being themselves, they're a sack of shit being themselves.

**Tom Segura** (1:59)
Yeah, and I thought that was like, that's kind of like the way, that's when I started, I was like, I leaned into it more. I remember one of my friends came to one of my early shows once, and he was like, hey man, that t-shirt has a hole in it. And I was like, I know. And he was like, you want to wear that on stage? People are watching you, don't you think they want to see somebody that's presentable? I was like, no, no, this is the presentation. It's like that you have holes in your shirt? And I kind of was like, I was sure of it. I was like, yeah, I mean, that's the whole thing.
I didn't feel like I was pulling on an act. I was like, yeah, this is what I would wear around the house.

**Chris Williamson** (2:39)
In a way, making effort is sort of detracting from you being you.

**Tom Segura** (2:43)
Yeah. But I do think that it's, look, it's all part of like, this is why I hate telling young comedians like how to do it. Like, you know, when they go, give them advice, I'm like, I really don't like giving advice other than do it a lot. Like, that's the advice. But as far as like, don't do this, I go, that's not how to do it. Like, the way to do it is to do things you think you're supposed to do. And then you figure out how to actually do it.

**Chris Williamson** (3:14)
Whether or not you're supposed to do them.

**Tom Segura** (3:15)
Yeah. If I tell you, don't do, make sure you don't do this, that might keep you from encountering something that actually really sparks something in you. Yeah.

**Chris Williamson** (3:26)
Well, there's a difference between 2D lessons that you learn from someone telling you what you're reading in a book, and 3D lessons that you learn from experiencing it firsthand.

**Tom Segura** (3:33)
A thousand percent. Yeah.

**Chris Williamson** (3:35)
There's a guy called Bill Perkins who lives here in Austin. He came on the show, he wrote this book called Die with Zero, which is about how to make the most of your wealth. And it's written for people who struggle to spend money, even though they might earn a little bit more than they need to, and they're skin thrift and they don't spend the money so much. I don't think you have no idea what I'm talking about.
And I read the book and then immediately after that, from the podcast, he said, why don't you come and wake surf with me? And I got to learn the lesson both from the book and then from the podcast and then I got to experience it with him firsthand. And there's a driver outside and there's a boat and there's a blah, blah. And it's like, huh, now I know what he's talking about. And it's the same with this. You can tell someone, hey, maybe consider yourself a professional, be presentable, consider your health, go to bed on time, etc.