Why Agents Are Forcing Enterprises to Finally Fix Their Dev Process

**Daniel Jones** (0:00)
Now that it's agents doing the work, and tokens and the cost of those, everyone's going to be really keen on making sure the software development life cycle was effective and as efficient as it possibly could be. But when it was humans, it was like, oh, well, Timmy's just lazy, and that's why stuff isn't getting delivered. And they didn't focus enough on process, and value stream mapping, and all those important things. Now it's when it's agents, it's like, well, that's going to cost us money, and we can easily see that it's costing us money.

**Patrick Debois** (0:25)
Most people know me from the DevOps transformation, the Cloud Native Transformation, and I love every new chaotic period in the industry, because that's where the learning is happening, and right now that is AI and coding.

**Tammuz Dubnov** (0:38)
The way I think about it is I go back to pre-GenAI, and I imagine I had all the manpower and all the time in the world. And basically with that mindset, we say, okay, now you have GenAI, you have agents. There is no excuse not to do everything you ever thought you'd want somebody to do, and then automate it so it happens by CI automatically.

**Simon Maple** (0:55)
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Hello, Simon Maple here, and I am at the AI Native DevCon 2026 in London, and I've got a wonderful panel here to talk about AI enablement within organizations, how we can be most successful at scaling agentic development across our organizations. We have a wonderful panel, as I mentioned. We have Daniel Jones, DJ, Head of Product at Resync. We have Tammuz Dubnov, who is the co-founder and CTO of Autonomy AI, and we have Patrick Debois, who is the DevRel at Tessl, the DevOps overlord and godfather of all things pipeline and workflows in DevOps. Welcome, everyone, to the panel. How are you all doing?

**Daniel Jones** (3:14)
Not too bad, given that there was a party on a boat yesterday. It was. Yes, and I'm just about functioning, so that's good.

**Simon Maple** (3:21)
Well, that's always a benefit.

**Patrick Debois** (3:23)
Even with good weather in England, right?

**Simon Maple** (3:25)
Yes, even with good weather, on a boat, on the Thames, and it was sunny.

**Daniel Jones** (3:29)
Who knew?

**Simon Maple** (3:30)
Who knew that was a possibility? So why don't we start off with you, DJ, and let's go left to right, and we'll tell us a little bit more about yourself, your role, and maybe a little bit about Resync.

**Daniel Jones** (3:41)
Sure. So I am head of products at Resync, which means productizing our services. We are an AI Native Transformation Consultancy.
The co-founders were big into Cloud Native Transformation, wrote the O'Reilly Cloud Native Transformation Book, and what we see is that organizations are repeating the same kind of mistakes when trying to adopt a disruptive technology or just plopping the technology and not changing anything about how they work, and being surprised that they're not going faster. So we offer various services around that, and I do a lot of the training for agentic coding training.