Who Actually Runs The US Government? - Tulsi Gabbard - #821

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
What's happening, people? Welcome back to the show. My guest today is Tulsi Gabbard. She's a politician, military veteran, and former United States representative. Our elected officials are supposed to be in charge of the country that we live in, but the more that we learn about the inner workings of government, the less that seems to be true. So who is really running the show, and what will the future of America look like for those who truly hold the power? Expect to learn what Joe Biden is actually like behind the scenes, why RFK Jr.'s campaign didn't succeed, the reason that Elon Musk's X platform was so important during Trump's assassination attempt, the truth behind Project 2025, Tulsi's thoughts on Kamala Harris as presidential candidate, and much more. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Tulsi Gabbard. Who actually runs the government, in your experience?

**Tulsi Gabbard** (1:15)
Not who you think it is. It's, and in many cases, especially recently, the troubling part about all this is it's not even people who we vote for. When you look at what happened when President Biden had that infamous debate with President Trump, it exposed the reality that many of us have known for a long time, which is that President Biden has not been the guy calling the shots. He has not been the guy making the decisions, nor has it been Kamala Harris for that matter, nor will it be if she is elected president. It is this cabal of the Democrat elite, the woke warmongers made up of the likes of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and Tony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, and people who are in the military industrial complex, who profit from us being in a constant state of war. It is those in the administrative state, in the national security state, who derive more authorities and ability to take away our liberty when we are in a heightened state of crisis or war. It is their friends and billionaires and people in media who all derive their power from being able to have a figurehead that essentially they can control. And the most troubling part about the other, so many things wrong with this, of course, but really at the most fundamental level, you look at, you know, our country is the oldest democracy in the world, but the reality of a truly functioning and thriving democracy that has brought to life the vision that our founders had for us, that we really have a government of by and for the people and that we have the ability and responsibility for that matter to ensure that the government we have only exists with the consent of the governed, that becomes very hard to do to hold people accountable when the person that you voted for is certainly not the one making the decisions.

**Chris Williamson** (3:27)
How long has that been the case? Was it ever the case that the president ran the country? When was the inflection point?

**Tulsi Gabbard** (3:34)
I don't know that there's one specific. I mean, there has been, you know, as the personalities come in and shift here and there. I would say the answer to that has probably changed. But in the election that we are facing here very shortly in the United States, it's our opportunity to hit the reset button. And, you know, however people feel about the choices and the options that we have, and they've changed a little bit recently, but really it's only the faces that have changed. The stakes have not changed. And the choices between the Democrat elite, and I've been saying this for months, like, hey guys, don't be, because it's like, oh, is Biden going to stay or is he going to go? And who's he going to replace him? Is it Gavin? Is it, all of these different theories, they make for good chatter, I guess, on cable news. But I've been telling people all along, don't be distracted. You know, you take one horse out, you put another horse in, you've got the same people who are running the show.
And it is, it is between the Democrat elite, will be Kamala Harris on the ballot, and, and the, those calling the shots behind the scenes, continuing to remain in power versus Donald Trump, who has a record of, I mean, the reason why they're doing all they can to destroy him is because he won't bend the knee to this Washington establishment, which is, which is made up of people in both political parties, by the way.

**Chris Williamson** (5:02)
What makes you think that a Trump presidency would be any more inoculated against this nefarious behind the scenes control than the one that we have at the moment? Surely you're just, if the people out front don't make any difference, because it's people behind the scenes that are changing, then what makes Trump any better than what we've got at the moment?