Where are all the laid-off software developers going? | LeadDev’s Scott Carey

**Scott Carey** (0:00)
Hi, I'm Scott Carey, Editor-in-Chief at LeadDev, where we help software engineers become more effective technical leaders. The tech industry is going through some major changes right now, and the skills that engineering leaders need to navigate this shift will be fundamentally different to those that you've mastered over the last decade. LeadDev is here to help you identify emerging best practices and keep up with the pace of work in a world where you're going to have smaller teams and fewer resources to throw at problems. Our carefully curated conferences in Europe and the United States support engineering leaders at all levels of seniority, helping them adapt to the new normal, sharpen their leadership and management skills, and be more impactful in their roles.
Join us in Berlin on the 4th, 5th and 6th of December to supercharge your career and improve the velocity of your teams as we take over the Estrel Congress Center for three days of world-class talks, practical learning, and lots of opportunities to meet other engineering leaders and troubleshoot your biggest challenges.
On the 4th and 5th, we'll be hosting LeadDev Berlin, which helps engineering managers learn from the best in the business. And then on December 6th, leading edge Berlin will bring together senior engineering managers for a day of practical, hands-on learning and networking. Visit leaddev.com for more information and tickets are available now. Last year was a sellout, so get them before they're too late, and I'll see you there in December.

**Conor Bronsdon** (1:15)
Hey, everyone. Welcome in.
We are back on Dev Interrupted. I'm your co-host, Conor Bronsdon, and today we're joined by Scott Carey, Editor-in-Chief at LeadDev. Scott, great to have you with us.

**Scott Carey** (1:26)
Nice to be here, Conor. Thanks for having me.

**Conor Bronsdon** (1:28)
You're joining us from the UK, right?

**Scott Carey** (1:30)
That's right. Yeah, I am in a very gray London at the moment, but we have just come off a very vicious heat wave, so I'm very much enjoying the respite over here.

**Conor Bronsdon** (1:39)
I think I'm in the same boat, and as LeadDev Editor-in-Chief, I know you have an opportunity to travel around the world to meet with thousands of engineers, learn about their content, and hopefully escape those heat waves sometimes.
I actually first met you when Dev Interrupted brought our podcast to LeadDev New York to record episodes with some of the amazing speakers you had on site. And we're really excited to be joining you again, this time at LeadDev West Coast in San Francisco, October 16th and 17th. Little pitch, there's a list of mile long of great speakers that we can't wait to meet. If you haven't already registered, especially if you're in the Bay Area, you should definitely do it. This event is not one you want to miss. We'll definitely include a link in the show notes for it. It's going to be a lot of fun, you can meet up with me and the rest of the Dev Interrupted crew.
And yeah, go check it out after this episode or pause right now and go and register. Scott, given that you have so much access to engineers around the world and engineering leaders, the work you do to plan and program these conferences on different continents, you have your finger on the pulse of the engineering community. And in particular, I want to talk about an article you wrote in July titled, Where are all the laid off software engineers going?
It really caught my attention and I think it's an important conversation because it's a confusing time right now in recruitment, particularly in tech, as there's these disparate views around what's actually happening and how strong is the market. But before we dive into that, I know we're saying this term LeadDev, and a lot of our audience, I know, know who you are. But I want to make sure that anyone who isn't familiar knows a bit about LeadDev and its mission. Can you tell us a bit about it?

**Scott Carey** (3:15)
Yeah, sure. So we're a content and conference company based here in the UK. A lot of people don't know that because, as you said, we operate conferences all around the world, two in the US, one in Berlin, and then one here in London at the moment.
Yeah, we have quite a simple mission. Our mission is to help software engineering managers get better at leading their teams and delivering software.
So really, when this company was started a few years back, it was really at that time when engineering management as an actual discipline really started to emerge and people started to apply broader leadership skills and frameworks to software engineering. And we really saw an opportunity to help engineers come together and learn those skills and put them into practice. So that's what we've been doing. We do it through our conferences, but also we have a big library of online content, so written content from practitioners and also from journalists covering kind of the really hot topics. And then we also have a regular series of webinars covering kind of the biggest challenges that folks are facing, all the way from senior engineering managers down to staff plus.