When enough is enough | Andy Johns (ex-FB, Twitter, Quora)

**Andy Johns** (0:00)
There are day-to-day stresses that are normal and we just have to put up with.
But then, there's the other stuff that's kind of the flashing red alarm. Again, you can go back to animals, it's like when their fundamental functions, when their core behaviors of diet, exercise, playfulness, socialization, sleep, when those things get disrupted, it's a sign that there is something going on here that you need to take a look at. And so, the same is true with people. If your sleep always sucks, if your relationships are constantly strained or frequently strained, if your physical health is failing, there's so many ways that that can be measured. So, there's really no excuse for that, to say like, oh, I just didn't know. I'd say it's to look at those things. Like when those are suffering or when they're really out of whack, it's undeniable that there is something that is detrimental to your wellbeing that's going on right now, and your body is telling you, like, stop. Something needs to change.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (1:03)
Welcome to Lenny's Podcast, where I interview world-class product leaders and growth experts to learn from their hard-won experiences building and growing today's most successful products. Today, my guest is Andy Johns. This is gonna be a very different type of episode and maybe the most meaningful and important episode of the podcast. Andy was a legendary product and growth leader at Facebook, Twitter, Quora and Wealthfront, where he was VP of Growth and VP of Product and then President and as you'll hear was in line to be CEO Wealthfront until he came to realize that this path was not right for him. And after a lot of internal reflection and hard self-work, he changed his entire life's path to becoming a mental health advocate and helping burned out high achievers and also veterans with their mental health journey. In our conversation, Andy shares his personal story, what true burnout looks like and when you should pay attention to your mental health, talks about the process of deep personal transformation and the four steps involved in making lasting change in your life. He also shares how to actually allow change to happen in your life, tactics for moving down this path and a lot of advice and real talk on mental health and tech. There's a lot of struggle happening in the world right now, including in tech. And so I hope this conversation helps you with your own journey. You can check out Andy's work at clues.life. With that, I bring you Andy Johns after a short word from our sponsors.
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