"What's Nutritional About Coca-Cola?" – Congressman Grills SNAP Officials

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**Pat** (0:30)
Yesterday, in a hearing, the folks that are running Snap are being interviewed by this fellow. What is his name, by the way?

**Adam** (0:37)
Oh, that's Brandon Gill. He's my buddy.

**Pat** (0:39)
First of all, he's phenomenal at what he does. Superman. I just want you to watch this Snap. Again, Tom, Snap stands for?

**Tom** (0:47)
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

**Pat** (0:50)
Okay. Right.

**Tom** (0:52)
Food stamps on an EBT card.

**Pat** (0:54)
That's right. And he's asking one of the leaders on what it is. Look at the response. Go for it.

**Brandon Gill** (1:02)
Stand for?

**Pat** (1:03)
What does Snap stand for?

**SPEAKER_6** (1:04)
It's Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

**Brandon Gill** (1:06)
What's nutritional about Coca-Cola?

**Pat** (1:10)
Look at her face.

**SPEAKER_6** (1:12)
I am not a nutritionist. I am a food security expert in ensuring that individuals have the food resources that they need.

**Brandon Gill** (1:19)
This is a common-sense question. All of these have been common-sense questions. I'm just asking you, is there nutritional value to sugary sodas? It's a yes or no question.

**SPEAKER_6** (1:35)
I am not an expert. I would have to look at the dietary guidelines.

**Pat** (1:38)
I'm not an expert.

**Brandon Gill** (1:39)
What does SNAP stand for?

**Pat** (1:40)
Okay, now watch this other clip, because he continues. He's got five minutes.
He's not done with her. Watch this next one here. This next one is difficult to listen to, but you'll enjoy it...

**Brandon Gill** (1:50)
.funded by organizations that make money from food stamps?
Her brain's... Do organizations who profit off of food stamps fund your organization or businesses?

**SPEAKER_6** (2:10)
I mean, I can't comment to that. I'm not happy to talk about the resources that need us.

**Brandon Gill** (2:16)
Does General Mills fund your organization?

**SPEAKER_6** (2:20)
I don't have access to that information.

**Brandon Gill** (2:22)
I do, it's right here. They do fund your organization.
Do they profit off of food stamps?

**SPEAKER_6** (2:28)
Retailers are the major beneficiaries of the program.

**Brandon Gill** (2:31)
Do you think that that's a conflict of interest?

**SPEAKER_6** (2:33)
That's where EBT dollars are utilized.

**Brandon Gill** (2:36)
Yes, and they're profiting off of your advocacy.
Do you think that that's a conflict of interest? He's good.

**Tom** (2:43)
He's so good. Common sense.

**Brandon Gill** (2:48)
I think most people think that's a conflict of interest. I know you don't want to answer. Is your organization...

**Pat** (2:52)
What do you think about that, Tom? What do you think about that? These are fair questions he's asking. Is there anything wrong with them promoting certain companies that are funding your program? Is there a conflict of interest there in your opinion?

**Tom** (3:06)
In my opinion, I believe there is a conflict. And I'll tell you where it is.
Snap was created to help fill the gap for children and people who maybe have a job, but literally are living below poverty line of income. And Snap was supposed to help them like hedge, bridge, bridge, and fill the gap. And the natural thing is, whenever the government says, I need an airplane, five companies put out the bids, they want to build the airplane. If the government says, I have a food program to get food to people, 50 companies want to go get food to people. Now General Mills may make some things that would be on RFK's updated food pyramid that would qualify as nutritional foods. But there's also other things in there. Everybody wants to be on the list, Pat. If you're selling soda, you're selling granola bars that are just loaded with sugar.
You want to be eligible for people to buy that. And then they hide behind the following, Pat.
It's the consumer's choice. No, it's not. If I'm giving SNAP, I want kids to get fruit. I want them to get things that I want to take sugar off there. I want them to get milk. I want them to get wholesome cheese. I want to get things that are ready. I want to get breads. I want to get it. And you could argue about the sugar and breads and everything. But point is, I want to go to the food triangle and see, can we get fruits and vegetables and things? Because that's what the purpose of SNAP is. And if you're... I think there is a conflict. And that's why she was sitting there, Pat. There is. And that's why she can't answer the question. Because the lobbyists that are supporting her...