What Is The Manosphere Getting Wrong? - Destiny - #540

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
Hello friends, welcome back to the show. My guest today is Destiny. He's a streamer and a YouTuber. As the mainstream media abandons talking to anyone male in a reasonable manner, men's advice has been pushed underground. It's good to have someone helping men to become better people, friends and partners for women, but what are the errors in this new wave of advice? Expect to learn whether cancellation actually makes creators grow bigger or if that's just a cope, whether the red pill movement is a net benefit for men, why the right seems to have dominated men's advice for the last few years, whether women and men can actually be compatriots instead of adversaries, why the Hasan Abi drama law is lengthy and much more. Don't forget that there are some huge podcast guests coming up on Modern Wisdom over the next few months and you will miss them if you are not subscribed. Also, it supports the show and it makes me very happy indeed. So go and press the subscribe button. I thank you. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Destiny.
Destiny, welcome to the show.

**Destiny** (1:32)
Hey, thanks for having me.

**Chris Williamson** (1:34)
How effective do you think cancellation is at silencing people? I saw that Sneako just got another strike on his YouTube channel, lost his TikTok account, lost his Twitter, and he seems to not really see it as a concern. Andrew Tate says that he's got even bigger since he left, and then Steve Will Do It was at the NASDAQ announcement thing for Rumble as well. Do you think that it's cope to say you get bigger when you're canceled or is it legit?

**Destiny** (2:00)
It's huge cope. I think canceling is really good at getting rid of people. It's not very good at getting rid of ideas though. So you can get rid of the man, but you're probably not going to get rid of the underlying current of thought that elevated them to the position they were in before, and that's going to still be there waiting for another person to kind of like take the reins on it.

**Chris Williamson** (2:18)
So they set a type of rhetoric that creates an echo that other people can then fall into.

**Destiny** (2:26)
Kind of, yeah. Or like, have you ever heard of a concept called the Overton Window?

**Chris Williamson** (2:31)
Yes.

**Destiny** (2:32)
A lot of people don't know this, so they don't seem to understand this. The Overton Window is discovered, it's not created. Politicians are trying to find where people are, and they can move them a little bit, but it's not like politicians say, this is the Overton Window, this is how far right and left they are. It's really a big struggle for politicians trying to figure out, like, where are people, and then where can I kind of like slot in myself so that I'm popular there. So like, for instance, Donald Trump didn't necessarily significantly move the Overton Window in some direction, three dimensions or two dimensions or whatever, but more he identified, whether coincidentally or not, that's a whole other conversation, but he identified there was a whole group of voters that felt a certain way about something, and he was able to tap into that. When you've got people like Andrew Tate or Sneko that are getting really big, it's because there's a hunger for that type of thought. It's not like these guys are creating, like, nobody had known about this until Take Him Under, it's that there are certain people that are hungry for that type of thought. So if you ban him, the banning is bad for that person. People will cope and say like, oh, you can't get cancelled, like, they got even bigger.
Well, then why didn't they just delete all their socials before? Like, there's a reason why people want to be in these platforms. But there's still going to be that underlying current of thought and somebody is going to come by that's another Red Pillar or MGTOW or whatever and take the reins on it, I think.

**Chris Williamson** (3:36)
I think you're right. I think based on what I've seen, when you remove people from that ecosystem, the audience at best, the absolute best that you can hope for is it stays as big as it is now. But the discovery medium is these platforms that have millions and billions of users, right? If you're on YouTube, there is no more discoverability for you. If you're off Instagram and TikTok, how are people going to find you? You saw this with Alex Jones, right? Alex Jones had a country-sized audience. He got removed from social media, but you know that unless he creates some incredibly smart referral scheme, how are new people going to discover his message?