Voluntary Simplicity: Richard Gregg, Thoreau's Pies and Small Is Beautiful

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Have you ever, like, decided you want to simplify your life, you know, maybe declutter your space, only to find yourself driving to some massive retail store to buy a dozen identically sized, color coordinated plastic bins?

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Oh yeah, I mean, it is such a brilliant bit of irony.

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Right, we live in this bizarre modern paradox where achieving a supposedly simple life in our hyper-connected world feels like it requires this massive, highly complicated effort.

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Exactly, we've somehow turned the very concept of simplicity into an aesthetic and more importantly into a product.

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Totally, you end up downloading like three different productivity apps just to remind yourself to unplug from your phone. Or you buy an entirely new wardrobe of minimalist neutral-toned clothing just to replace your old complicated clothes.

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The modern mechanics of simplifying are often just deeply rooted in consumption. We treat simplicity as, well, just another thing we have to acquire.

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And that contradiction is the exact puzzle we are trying to solve today. Welcome to the Steep Dive.

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Glad to be here.

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We are pulling from a massive stack of sources today. I mean, ranging from ancient history and religious texts, all the way to modern economic theory, all to unpack the concept of simple living.

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It's a huge topic.

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It really is. And our mission is to trace how this movement evolved from ancient spiritual aesthetics to today's tiny house dwellers. And ultimately, we want to figure out what it actually takes to simplify your life in a world demanding your constant attention.

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And what stands out immediately in the history is that long before Simple Living was an Instagram hashtag, it was a profound psychological and philosophical survival tool.

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Which was so surprising to me. I mean, the urge to declutter is literally thousands of years old.

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Right. If we really want to understand modern minimalism, we have to rewind. We need to look at the underlying mechanisms of why humans first started intentionally giving up their possessions.

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So let's go back to the ancient Greeks, because I was reading about the philosopher Epicurus in our research, and my mind was completely blown.

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Epicurus is a great starting point.

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Because whenever I hear the word Epicurean, I immediately picture someone eating a wildly expensive ten-course meal with gold flake on their dessert.

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Which is the modern misconception, completely. But the historical Epicurus, who is teaching around the 4th century BCE, believed the absolute opposite.

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Wait, really?

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Yeah.

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The opposite?

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Yes. He argued that the ultimate goal in life is simply to have an untroubled mind.

He looked at human behavior and formulated this very basic equation.

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Okay.

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He realized that the stress, anxiety and labor required to maintain an extravagant lifestyle, far outweighs the fleeting spike of pleasure that extravagance actually brings you.

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Oh man. It's just a terrible return on investment.

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Exactly.

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The stress of guarding your gold ruins the fun of having the gold.

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That is the core mechanism right there. He concluded that humans only actually require very basic bodily comforts, food, shelter, friendship.

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Just the essentials.

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And you should secure those at the absolute lowest cost possible. Anything beyond that baseline shouldn't just be ignored. It should be actively avoided.

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Because it just introduces unnecessary anxiety into your daily equation.

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Precisely.

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So how does that equation translate to other cultures? Because you see similar philosophies popping up globally, like completely independent of the Greeks.

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You see it heavily in Eastern philosophies too. Look at the founding of Taoism by Lao Tzu.

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Right, with the focus on naturalness.

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Exactly. Aligning with the natural flow of the universe by practicing extreme simplicity.

Or consider Buddhism and the Four Noble Truths.

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I've heard of the Four Noble Truths, but how do they actually function when it comes to the physical stuff we own?

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Well, the underlying logic of Buddhism is that suffering is intrinsically linked to attachment. The mechanism here is highly psychological.

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Okay, so it's about what we tie our happiness to. Right.

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If you attach your happiness to physical desires or status, you will inevitably suffer because physical things break, they get stolen, or they degrade.

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Oh, that makes a lot of sense.

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By intentionally detaching from desires, you cut off the engine of your own suffering.