Vibe Coding Without the Slop

Darin Pope (0:00)

A quick disclosure before we start today. Salesforce paid for my flight and hotel to be at Dreamforce 2026

They didn't get to see the questions ahead of time, and they didn't get a say in what made the cut. With that, on with the show.

Dan Fernandez (0:16)

And then the AI duplication is sort of the, in a bad way to say it, it's sort of the slop, which is, geez, do we really need 10 different ways to calculate sales tax? If you're doing agentic tools and you're not thinking about having the right agentic harness and how you're doing this, really the discipline of the agentic harness for coding agents, that's the challenge you're going to have, and the statistic was 4 to 8x of duplication because of that, the AI slop, if you will.

Darin Pope (0:44)

This is DevOps Paradox, episode number 369, Vibe Coding Without the Slop.

Welcome to DevOps Paradox. This is a podcast about random stuff in which we, Darin and Victor, pretend we know what we're talking about. Most of the time, we mask our ignorance by putting the word DevOps everywhere we can and mix it with random buzzwords like Kubernetes, serverless, CICD, team productivity, Islands of Happiness and other fancy expressions that make us sound like we know what we're doing. Occasionally, we invite guests who do know something, but we do not do that often since they might make us look incompetent. The truth is out there and there is no way we are going to find it.

Yes, it's Darin reading this text and feeling embarrassed that Victor made me do it. Here are your hosts, Darin Pope and Victor Farsi. Victor and I have talked about Vibe Coding a lot. Victor is not here with me today because I'm on site at Dreamforce 2026 in beautiful San Francisco. Now, since I'm from Dallas, it was 102 when I left. I arrived here, it was 60 and it was wonderful. On today's show, I have Dan Fernandez on. He's the VP of, this is a long title, VP of Product Management Developer Services at Salesforce. And I didn't read that, I actually remembered it. Was it right?

Dan Fernandez (2:20)

Correct. I also do the Digital Experience Platform as well. But yeah, same difference.

Darin Pope (2:24)

Same difference? I can't be the same difference.

Dan Fernandez (2:26)

DX and DXP because we love our acronyms.

Darin Pope (2:29)

You're in charge of all the cool tools as a developer that I would use, people listening would use, the CLIs, the VS Code-ish stuff, all the things.

I will go ahead and say up front, and I'll put a link down in the episode description. Dan did a great interview on Dev Interrupted October of 2025 with the Linear B guys that covers a lot of the base stuff. But it's been a year, so things have changed. Again, Vibe Coding, Victor and I have talked about Vibe Coding, that it is great until it's not. And usually that not time is really quick.

To me, since you didn't hear that, because you listen to our episodes all the time, right Dan? I just want to make sure. Basically, the way that we describe Vibe Coding today is it's basically the new Excel went into production. That's the way I feel like Vibe Coding is. But with Salesforce, y'all have, and again, you can go back and listen to the Dev Interrupted podcast, that because of all the guardrails naturally that exist in Salesforce, putting Vibe Coding in it wasn't that, and this is my words, not that big of a deal. Because you had so many guardrails. This is where people think that they can just bring in Vibe Coding into their enterprise or even their small shop. It's like true, you can, but then what about all the things?

Dan Fernandez (3:48)

Correct.

Darin Pope (3:49)

And you already had all the things.

So, fast forward, now we're a year later. Where are we at? What's really going on in this space?

Dan Fernandez (4:00)

Yeah, so there's a lot of changes. And one, happy to be here. So, a high level, just as a measure of the volume that we're talking about. GitHub released their data that had the number of commits changes. Just so we get a scale for the problem. 2025, the number of commits were one billion for the entire year.

They are doing more commits, 1.1 billion per month. That's a 14x increase in just the amount of volume that they have. And you start thinking about like, okay, wow, that's crazy. The other one is the radar data for Cloudflare, which showed the amount of traffic humans have now been surpassed by bots. Just to be fair, this could be somebody's on Google Gemini, my daughter's having her birthday this Saturday.