[UNLOCKED] S3E27.5: Dogtooth

**Devon** (0:00)
Hello, friends, it's Devon from the podcast Kill James Bond. You might recognize me from being one of the three hosts that you're used to hearing talk on the podcasts. But when I talk first, that means there's a problem. This episode was supposed to be the taking of Pelham 123 with our dear friends over at the Will There's Your Problem podcast. We had Justin, we had Liam, we even managed to get a guest appearance from November.
But sadly, immediately after recording that, we learned that one of our local files had been corrupted, and there was no way to create an episode out of that. So we have for the first time in our five-year history, a lost episode. So please, in lieu, take this absolute heater from the back catalog. Enjoy Zardoz.

**Abigail Thorn** (0:52)
A large cloth used to keep sunlight out of a room. For example, I am going to get up and draw the podcast.

**November Kelly** (1:20)
Hello, and welcome to another bonus episode of Kill James Bond. I'm November Kelly. I'm joined, as always, by my friends, Abigail Thorn and Devon. Hey. Hey, how we doing? The bonus is a special episode that we released because you pay for it.
We're very grateful for you doing so. Example, you are now listening to this bonus episode. I've wanted to do this for a while. We're talking about Dog Tooth.

**Devon** (1:43)
That's right, baby.

**November Kelly** (1:44)
Dog Tooth is, I think, one of my favorite films. It's once again, you're going to get hit with a film that Nova is enthusiastic about, I'm afraid.

**Devon** (1:53)
It's what I'm here for, honestly.

**Abigail Thorn** (1:55)
Yeah, it was really good. I really liked it.

**November Kelly** (1:57)
It's one of my favorite films. It's a film about being transgender.

**Abigail Thorn** (2:00)
Yes.

**November Kelly** (2:01)
Actually, it's a film about a bunch of things, because it's a Yorgos Lanthimos film, and Yorgos Lanthimos doesn't like being too definitive about his films. If you read him being interviewed about any of them, he's like, I don't like to say that it's like an allegory. I don't like to say it's about this exactly.
I think one of the things we're going to get into when we talk about Dog Tooth is about slightly swerving the intended meaning of something or the precise definition of something. But it is definitely about being transgender. Yes. And the reason why we're doing all these bits to start with is because Dog Tooth begins with a series of kind of, do you remember, like, if you were of an age for this, language learning tapes? Yes.

**Abigail Thorn** (2:42)
No.

**November Kelly** (2:42)
Of course not. Okay, so it's kind of like, it's kind of like a podcast, but like, say you're in your French class or whatever, you would just like listen to like a cassette tape of somebody speaking like French and they would have a bunch of like sentences designed to aid language learning that would be very, very elementary, right?

**Abigail Thorn** (3:03)
It's what like Duolingo was before it was The Owl.
You get like a tape and it would play and it would be like, Chat, le chat s'attend le bat. Like, but in French, obviously. And it would like teach you the language.

**November Kelly** (3:17)
And so we start with one of these tapes with new vocabulary. And we've mentioned before about forfremdung's effect, right? This technique of like alienating you from the thing that you're watching.
You want some fucking forfremdung's effect, we come out out of the gate with some of it because all of the words that we learn are wrong.

**Abigail Thorn** (3:38)
Yep.

**Devon** (3:39)
Yes.

**Abigail Thorn** (3:39)
We get definitions of sea and motorway and excursion, and they're all wrong.

**Devon** (3:45)
They're all wrong.

**Abigail Thorn** (3:46)
Like excursion is defined as a particularly strong material. And the example sentence is like, the chandelier fell off the ceiling but was not damaged because it was made of excursion. Yes. Like what the fuck is happening?

**November Kelly** (3:58)
My favorite and I think the most poetic is when they define carbine. A carbine is a beautiful white bird. And there is something slightly poetic about it. It feels like a metaphor that is not connecting, you know?
And we have three young people in a bathroom, just listening to these, these tapes.

**Abigail Thorn** (4:20)
They don't have names, as far as I know. Not in the script. I, there's two girls and a boy. I called them son, eldest and middle.

**Devon** (4:28)
I believe that that is what the movie even calls them at some points. I was waiting to hear a name to like start taking the notes of it. And I believe that they are just referred to as like eldest, youngest and son.