Unf*cking the World — Radical Hope for the Future | Jamie Wheal

Jamie Wheal (0:00)

Well, here's the thing, this gets us into the space for radical hope. What we would say is leaving space for grace. Leaving space for grace, which is novelty, which is emergence, which is serendipity, which is delayed or deferred luck, or totally planable consequence of yakin. But there's things we can't see from here.

And if we give up the faith, then they cannot happen. So we have to keep the faith in case they might. It's a little like Linus and the pumpkin patch.

I meant when the great pumpkin comes, not if, right? You can't give up the faith or you're fucked.

Michael Gervais (0:43)

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Now, this week's conversation is with Jamie Wheal, founder of the Flow Genome Project and author of Recapture the Rapture, Rethinking God, Sex and Death in a World That's Lost Its Mind.

He's brilliant. He is a brilliant thinker. And he's able to, with great discernment, move across multiple disciplines of thought and then dive deep within them. And then he comes back up for air and he's able to build frameworks from that that ties his insights across multiple disciplines together. And it's really wonderful to watch him work. He has advised executives at some of the world's leading companies like Deloitte and Red Bull, Google, Lululemon. The list goes on and his work and ideas have been covered in the New York Times, Financial Times, Wired, Entrepreneur, Harvard Business Review, Forbes, and TED. Now, you may remember Jamie from his previous appearance on Finding Mastery back in 2017, where we discussed flow states and altered states of consciousness. And if you want to search it up, that's episode number 67, and I would encourage you to check that out as well. But this time around, we discussed some of Jamie's most recent work where he takes radical research out of the extremes and then applies it to the mainstream, exploring macro topics like where are we today? Why is it so hard to make sense of the world? What might be the next coming? And what to do about this whole thing?