UFO Experts Come Forward (Full Documentary) - IPN LIVE TOUR

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**Chris Ramsay** (1:00)
I just spent two weeks traveling across the west coast of the United States for the It's Probably Nothing live shows. And what I captured during this trip profoundly changed me.
First stop was Tucson, Arizona, where the guest was former CIA officer John Ramirez. This was co-hosted by my friend Josh from the Polarity YouTube channel. I asked John if he could share UFO sighting from the area.

**John Ramirez** (1:36)
Well, I wasn't a first-hand witness to it. I learned about it. It was on social media and I contacted to the individual who had the original video released to him purportedly, allegedly by a source in Homeland Security.
It's about a craft that was followed by a Homeland Security air asset, and the craft was nicknamed the rubber ducky because that's what it looked like. To describe it, it was triangular in shape, and it was doing what we will call that signature management. You didn't get a really good view of it, and the rubber ducky part came about because at the top of this craft was some kind of appendage or some kind of protrusion that would look like a duck head. So you think about a rubber ducky toy in a swimming pool, think about that, but think of it flying and doing all kinds of strange maneuvers. So this was tracked by this Homeland Security air asset.
Subsequently, I believe it was attributed to an asset for the US government doing border security. And it just was a type of drone that was probably not acknowledged. It wasn't doing incredible speeds like a UAP because this air asset was able to follow it. And that's just one of many high strangeness things that happened in Arizona. It's a great place if you want to see UAP, move to Arizona.

**Chris Ramsay** (3:16)
Sedona seems to be like a hotspot for this.

**John Ramirez** (3:18)
Yes, indeed.

**Chris Ramsay** (3:19)
Have you been out to Sedona?

**John Ramirez** (3:20)
Yes, I've been on a UFO tour sponsored by Melinda Leslie.

**Chris Ramsay** (3:24)
Oh, yes.

**John Ramirez** (3:26)
She's with the Center for the New Age. She does talk about my lab experiences that she had. I went on a UFO tour and it's worth every penny because she gives you your money back if you don't see one.

**Chris Ramsay** (3:38)
Wait, so you saw something out there?

**John Ramirez** (3:40)
I saw a UAP craft, not a satellite. I know what satellite trajectories look like in the sky, but satellites do not traverse the sky, then turn around, loop around, go left, go right, and then go back to its trajectory again.
And it was seen through night vision goggles. If you took the night vision goggles off, you could not see it. But with the night vision goggles on, you can clearly see this particular object, which I consider to be a UAP.

**Chris Ramsay** (4:15)
And this is coming from someone who did signals intelligence.

**John Ramirez** (4:19)
Signals intelligence, yes, and I had my fair share of looking at electrical optical imagery collected by NRO as part of my job. So I knew that this was not a satellite. Satellites would tear itself apart doing those type of maneuvers in space.

**Chris Ramsay** (4:38)
Look at that, we got the crash saucer.

**Josh** (4:42)
This is a cozy vibe.

**Chris Ramsay** (4:43)
I like this a lot.

**Josh** (4:44)
Yeah, and these seats are damn comfortable.

**SPEAKER_2** (4:46)
I know.

**Josh** (4:47)
We're going to have John Ramirez. How long was he in the CIA?

**SPEAKER_2** (4:50)
25 years.

**Josh** (4:51)
25 years sitting in the hot seat tonight.

**Chris Ramsay** (4:54)
We're bringing up 2027 We're bringing up hybrids.