Two Ex-CIA Officers Clash Over China, Israel & Surveillance | PBD Podcast #832

**Andrew Bustamante** (0:00)
I can't help but think that when it becomes super-intelligent, it will stop thinking like us. It's only thinking like us right now because we're the ones driving it.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:09)
Tens of thousands of AI-powered cameras across the country.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:13)
6,000 communities, 3,000 law enforcement offices are using it. How do you feel about this?

**Andrew Bustamante** (0:18)
That is the benefit of a surveillance state. Keeps people safe, keeps law and order in place.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:23)
Please tell me you disagree with them. You give up your privacy.

**Andrew Bustamante** (0:27)
You've already got no privacy, man. This is what I'm trying to get you and the whole world to understand right now. We have no privacy.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:33)
We're going to play some games today. We're going to do a few different things. I'm going to give each of you these paddles. And I'm going to give different conspiracies. And you pick and choose. CIA killed John F. Kennedy. Hitler was never killed. He ended up going to Argentina and he kind of stayed there. Really?
OK, how about moon landing? This is a serious one. For some people, it's very important.
What do you think about when you hear an AI system hacking into an NSA's most sensitive system within hours?

**Andrew Bustamante** (1:02)
I think a lot of people would fight that technology in a violent way. I cannot believe it. I am firm on my opinion that secrets are required for society.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:13)
That would be like, create the product and put it in a country that you hate and see it collapse. See it collapse. You know what I'm saying? Like, use it against them.
Where does your paranoia lie the most for the next 10 years?

**Sarah Adams** (1:26)
I don't lose any sleep over Israel. If they ever became a problem, we could bomb them into oblivion in five minutes. So I don't know why anyone loses sleep over them.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:33)
You agree with what she has to say? If you have a rebuttal. Okay, please go for it.

**Andrew Bustamante** (1:36)
It seems like a huge amount of claims with very little evidence to back it up.

**Sarah Adams** (1:40)
They don't have a big stick. They barely can deal with their own threats.

**Andrew Bustamante** (1:44)
Israel has the second most capable military in the world. That's a big fucking stick.

**Sarah Adams** (1:49)
They have nuclear weapons.

**Andrew Bustamante** (1:50)
They have nuclear weapons. That's a big stick.

**Sarah Adams** (1:53)
So the terrorists didn't drag any of us into that situation.

**Andrew Bustamante** (1:55)
I said it's a shared fucking responsibility, Sarah. Do you listen?

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:12)
This is probably one of my favorite conversations I've ever had, and here's why. You got two CIA officers, X, Andy Bustamante, and then we have Sarah Adams as a CIA targeter.
They disagreed hardcore the first 30 minutes on one topic of what is a bigger crisis and threaten the future, Israel or Iran and Islam. It's phenomenal. I think you're gonna enjoy that a lot. By the way, both of them are on Manect. You can ask him any questions. It's very rare you have this kind of access to ex-CIA officers. You can ask Andy any questions here on Manect. And Sarah over here. And last but not least, we really are excited about this next phase of Valuetainment with the interviews that we're gonna be doing. We have some very big plans that's coming soon. And our commitment is to you. All we want to do is make this thing a better product for you. We've been doing this for over a decade. And our investments recently that we're making in the production studio house, we got some very big plans. So if you're watching this and you enjoy the direction we're going, the 51% of the audience that you watch the content, but you haven't yet subscribed, if you could subscribe to the channel here, it would help us bring more of these types of interviews and conversations to you. If you haven't done it yet, take a quick second, just click that subscribe button. It would mean the world to us. With that being said, enjoy this interview with Andy Bustamante and Sarah Adams. We have a special podcast today with two ex-CIA individuals with different stories, different backgrounds. They've never done anything together on their show. This will be the first time. So, Sarah, thank you for making the time. Andy, great to have you back on.
We were talking about a minute ago how much we miss your old hair, but you look great. It's good to have you on. We're going to play some games today. We're going to do a few different things. It's going to be a little bit interactive and some of the stuff you don't know. The reason why I have the iPad in front of you is because in a few minutes you'll have to put it to use. I got some signs here that I'll hand to each one of you guys to see what we're doing. So we got some things that we want to go through here today. But before we get started, if you don't mind sharing your story with the audience real quick so they can kind of get an idea of your background.