Trump, Elon Musk & The Future Of The West - Piers Morgan - #895

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
You wanted Trump to pardon Hunter Biden, but his dad has beaten him to the punch.

**Piers Morgan** (0:06)
Yeah, I mean, I think it would have been a very smart move by Trump to send a unifying message to a very fractured and divided America, if he was to do it. But for Joe Biden to do it after assuring the world, including the American electorate repeatedly in the last few months up to the election, I'm not going to do that, I'm not going to pardon him, to get the White House press secretary to repeatedly say it from the lectern in the White House. I think that's pretty disgraceful. So there's two ways of looking at this. I think if Trump had done it, smart move in unifying the country, for Biden to do it, actually a pretty shameless act of rank hypocrisy.

**Chris Williamson** (0:46)
Yeah, not a very nice nail in the coffin of what will be probably not a particularly well remembered presidency.

**Piers Morgan** (0:51)
I think he'll go down as one of the worst presidents. He stayed on way too long and clearly cognitively, he was in decline. I think the botched coronation of his vice president was another fiasco, which came back to haunt them. I think the problem with Joe Biden is that he, the whole issue of Hunter Biden and the way he's now pardoned him, he's always positioned himself as the whiter than white candidate against Trump. The Trump's the liar, Trump's shameless, Trump's corrupt, Trump is hypocritical, all these things. That was the stick he repeatedly used to beat Trump. And now, in one fell swoop, one action, because it's not just he's pardoned him for the things of which he's been convicted, he's pardoned him for anything else he may have done since 2014 in that period.

**Chris Williamson** (1:36)
It's a decade of crime.

**Piers Morgan** (1:37)
It's like, what else has gone on here? A lot of rumors about much bigger stuff that may have happened. And you look at it and you think, wow, that's the kind of thing that honestly, they talk about a banana republic relating to Trump. This is about as close to a banana republic act as you could imagine.

**Chris Williamson** (1:54)
Yeah, I want to talk about this on your show later on, but there's this rise of the Bro-legarchy and Bro-politics at the moment.

**Piers Morgan** (2:01)
Which is fascinating.

**Chris Williamson** (2:02)
I think it's really interesting, but this prioritization of doing good over looking good, and efficiency over optics. And this is one of those examples, I think, where both have gone awry. Both the thing that you did and the way that it was done, and the way that it was led up to. But in stark contrast to Vivek Ramaswamy doing debate prep with his top-off hitting forehands on tennis court, or Elon Musk sending rockets into space. Sort of a world of people doing things. Even if you don't agree with the things, you can't deny that they're doing stuff. And I wonder what the medium-term future looks like now for America.

**Piers Morgan** (2:40)
Well, I think one of the most important things of the brolegarchy in terms of its impact is that so many young men gravitated to it because they've been feeling lost. You've talked about this a lot. I've talked to you about this a lot. I've got three sons from 23 to 31 I've seen it firsthand. They've been struggling, not just my sons, but their friendship group have been struggling to understand what it means to be a man in this weird age that we're now in. Social media driven age, virtue signaling driven age, a weird time when losing is almost more celebrated than winning, where the old alpha male chest beating is now seen as something to be ashamed of, where weakness is almost now seen as a greater characteristic than strength. And I have been on this for years thinking this is a ruinous way for society to go. And suddenly along in America, you have this group of very alpha male guys, all chest beaters from RFK Jr. to Elon, to Trump, to Vivek, to Joe Rogan, all of them. Very strong minded guys. To a lesser degree, in a different space, Andrew Tate and his brother, who wield extraordinary influence, but I think have a streak of blatant misogyny in Andrew's case, which I really don't like. But a lot of the reason for his appeal is that lost young men gravitated to him because he was pounding a drum of take care of yourself, be proud of being successful, aspire to be better than you currently are, etc. That resonates with people.