Tim Ferriss - Curating Curiosities

**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (0:00)
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**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (2:34)
My guest today is Tim Ferriss. Tim is a writer, podcaster and investor. He has written five bestselling books, been an early stage investor in Facebook, Uber, Shopify and other household names, and is the host of one of the biggest podcasts in the world. He started The Tim Ferriss Show as an experiment in April, 2014 and has deconstructed world-class performers ever since. Last year, his show crossed one billion downloads. Together, we explore his podcast and approach to life. We talk about the art of interviewing, the business behind his show and what motivates Tim to keep teaching through his writing and podcast. Please enjoy this great conversation with Tim Ferriss.
So Tim, you're coming up on 10 years, billion downloads, all sorts of cool, fun accolades.
I would love to begin by asking you what has changed the most about what you enjoy about the process of learning from other people by getting to ask them questions. It's a very selfish question. I'm just curious how it's unfolded for you. It's something I think about a lot. What has changed the most in the first 10 years of you doing this?
And maybe extra points for anything that is most surprising about what's changed in the first 10 years.

**Tim Ferriss** (3:41)
Well, I would say there are a number of phase shifts in the last 10 years. It started off as purely an exercise for me to try something fun in 2014 that would also allow me to win even if it failed. What I mean by that is I wanted to ask myself what skills could I develop or deepen?
What relationships could I develop or deepen that would make it worth it even if I stopped doing the podcast after six episodes? And I think my initial commitment, public commitment, was something along the lines of six to 10 episodes.
And that gave me the option of a graceful exit if I wanted to stop doing it. That was never intended to be a business. Podcasting as a business wasn't really a thing at that point, at least not in any meaningful way.