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This Is Why You’re Tired, Stressed, and Not Healing | Biohacker, Dave Asprey

Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais

December 17, 2025

What would change if you stopped trying to push through fatigue — and instead learned what your biology is trying to tell you?

Speakers Michael Gervais, Dave Asprey

TopicsSelf-ImprovementEducationHealth & FitnessMental Health

Michael Gervais (0:00)

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Dave Asprey (1:37)

Every plant contains some toxins. We've made a practice lately of eating all sorts of weird plants that are higher in toxins and we ignore the toxins and we talk about the fact that they contain one beneficial thing, spinach, kale and we knew all about this until about 1950 and then we just stopped talking about it.

Michael Gervais (1:54)

What would change if you stopped trying to push through fatigue and instead you learned what your biology is trying to tell you?

Dave Asprey (2:01)

What's weird is we have this obsession with measuring cholesterol and blood because it was the easiest to measure in the 1930s. The people who live the longest, the super centenarians, they have higher than average cholesterol. That's weird and half of people with heart attacks don't have high cholesterol. That's weird.

Michael Gervais (2:17)

Welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery Podcast where we dive into the minds of the world's greatest thinkers and doers. I am your host, Dr Michael Gervais, by trade and training, a high-performance psychologist. The idea behind these conversations is simple. It's to sit with the extraordinaries and to learn how they work from the inside out. Today's conversation is with Dave Asprey, entrepreneur, four-time New York Times bestselling author, and widely regarded as the father of the modern biohacking movement. For those of you who have listened or watched for a while, you know that I have an issue with the term biohacking. Yet, anyone who is able to be disruptive enough to create a category, that's interesting to me.

Dave Asprey (2:56)

Most people think their emotions are in their brain. They're not. They're in the body. Your mitochondria are preprocessors of reality.

Michael Gervais (3:04)

I understand the line of thinking that they can respond to the environment, because they feel heat, they can move away. I just don't know if I want to call that consciousness.

Dave Asprey (3:11)

So are fish conscious?

Michael Gervais (3:13)

I don't know. Every fish I've interviewed, they don't have much to say.

Dave Asprey (3:16)

You should interview the right fish.

Michael Gervais (3:18)

Dave was a 300-pound exhausted, cognitively foggy entrepreneur in his 20s, and he was being told by his doctors that everything was, quote unquote, fine. His lived experience said otherwise.

Dave Asprey (3:30)

I've gone to the gym 90 minutes a day, six days a week for 18 months straight, and I'm still 300 pounds. That's what inspired me to say, I'm only going to do what works, and the results have been profound.

Michael Gervais (3:42)

We talk about the origins of biohacking, how Dave pulled himself out of physical and emotional collapse, and the philosophies that guide his approach to health.

Dave Asprey (3:51)

A study in Japan of 800 people showed that, so if you want to live a long time, so with that, let's jump into this week's conversation with Dave Asprey.

SPEAKER_3 (4:07)

The views expressed are the guests' own and do not reflect those of Dr. Mike Gervais or Finding Mastery. This conversation is for informational and entertainment purposes only and is not medical advice. Please consult a licensed professional for questions on your own health. Thank you and enjoy the episode.

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