The woman behind Canva shares how she built a $42B company from nothing | Melanie Perkins

**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
There's a very famous story about Canva. Early on, you pitched over 100 investors, and over 100 investors said no to you.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:06)
It was really clear in my mind that it was the future, and I thought the investors were wrong, frankly. But investors also gave really helpful feedback, and feedback often in the form of rejection. They would say, oh, your market's not big enough. And I would say, it's gonna be huge. And I'd add a new page in my pitch deck that said how big the market, I believe, was. And then they'd say, you're the same as some of the company. And I would say, hey, now I've got a new slide in my pitch deck that shows all the players and the huge gap in the market that we believe we're going to fill.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:33)
One of your values, crazy big goals. I love that as a value.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:35)
The thing that I love about a crazy big goal is that you feel completely inadequate before it. You want to work really hard to will it into existence. I really like to start by just imagining what is the future that you actually want. Right now, I have a wall in my house, in my office, which is my vision for what I'd like the world to look like in 2050

**SPEAKER_1** (0:52)
I heard from one of your Hume members, Melissa Tan, that there's a deck like this for every project you kick off. There's this big vision deck.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:59)
So we have this concept of chaos to clarity. Every idea starts in the chaos side, and then you have to work all the way to the other side, which is clarity. That very first step at the bar end of chaos was quite an embarrassing step, actually, because you don't have mastery at that point. You don't have all the answers.

**SPEAKER_1** (1:14)
A lot of people think of Canva as like a design graphics for social media and marketing and things like that. But you also have spreadsheets, docs, whiteboards, charts, AI coding tool.

**SPEAKER_2** (1:23)
It was funny looking back from really old decks. We were trying to do AI, but AI was actually a thing.

**SPEAKER_1** (1:30)
Today my guest is Melanie Perkins, CEO and co-founder of Canva. Melanie is on track to be the most successful female tech founder in history, and one of the most successful founders, period. Canva is currently valued at over $42 billion, making over $3.3 billion in revenue a year. They've been profitable for eight years straight and are one of the hottest private tech companies in the world right now. But it wasn't always this way. Melanie was rejected by over 100 investors when she was trying to raise her first round. Their team spent two years rewriting their entire codebase and were unable to ship any new features for over two years, something they expected to just take six months. And they even went through a big pivot early on from a yearbook publishing platform to the Canva that you know today. Melanie does not do a lot of podcasts. She shares stories that I've never heard before and lessons that I'm still thinking about. This is a really rare opportunity to learn from a legendary founder. A huge thank you to Cameron Adams and Melissa Tan for suggesting topics for this conversation. If you enjoy this podcast, don't forget to subscribe and follow it in your favorite podcasting app or YouTube. And if you become an annual subscriber of my newsletter, you get a year free of 17 incredible products, including Devon, Loveable, Replet, Bolt, Enid and Linear, Superhuman, Descript, Busperflow, Gamma, Perplexity, Warp, Granola, Magic Patterns, Raycast, JPRD and Mobbin. Head on over to Lenny's newsletter.com and click Product Pass. With that, I bring you Melanie Perkins after a short word from our sponsors. My podcast guests and I love talking about craft and taste and agency and product market fit. You know what we don't love talking about? That's where Vanta comes in. Vanta helps companies of all sizes get complying fast and stay that way with industry-leading AI, automation and continuous monitoring. Whether you are a startup tackling your first Sock 2 or ISO 27001 or an enterprise managing vendor risk, Vanta's Trust Management Platform makes it quicker, easier and more scalable. Vanta also helps you complete security questionnaires up to five times faster so that you can win bigger deals sooner. The result? According to a recent IDC study, Vanta customers slashed over $500,000 a year and are three times more productive. Establishing trust isn't optional. Vanta makes it automatic. Get $1,000 off at vanta.com/lenny.
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